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以下是引用zegnia在2004-4-13 15:46:12的发言:
申请MBA的话,一定要top10,但是这些学校都会要求工作经验的。


I bet you are not in business school. It is very hard to get into "top 10" if you don't have shining background.

As for PH.d, those so-so schools are still hard to get in. Compared to departments (CS, engineer), the admission of ph.d in B-school is very limited.
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以下是引用zegnia在2004-5-20 13:20:36的发言:
以下是引用yshe在2004-5-16 12:53:20的发言:
以下是引用zegnia在2004-4-13 15:46:12的发言:
申请MBA的话,一定要top10,但是这些学校都会要求工作经验的。


I bet you are not in business school. It is very hard to get into "top 10" if you don't have shining background.

As for PH.d, those so-so schools are still hard to get in. Compared to departments (CS, engineer), the admission of ph.d in B-school is very limited.

我半只脚在B school里面,本来我今年秋季会去一个top5的B school念PhD,B school的
You've already been in u.s now. The application is different from those who are still in China.

PhD的就业面太窄,牛校的毕业生大部分都是留在academia,极少数可能进consulting或者
investment banks。
Doctoral students in b-school are trained to be faculties, that's why they will work in academia.

二流学校就只有到社区大学去教书,或者回国当教授了。
Where did you get this idea? Besides those "top schools", there are a lot of teaching schools in u.s, which are way different from community colleges.

对于MBA的话,top5都是大批量生产的,每年每个学校都会有几百个新生,其中中国人也不占少数,保守一点至少10个,我是指直接从国内来的。
Do you think 10 is a big number? If you think you are the best, I have nothing to say. But for most people, the chance to get into is very limited.

不论PhD还是MBA,不是名校的,工作很难找,除非本身就是公司资助,毕业后回到原来公司。我们学校的MBA排名虽有20,但是就业情况还是一塌糊涂,中国人全部待业,去年毕业的都回了国。即使是美国人也只有少数拿到60k左右的年薪。60K是什么概念,我们学校engineering school硕士毕业平均薪水就超过了60k。MBA薪水那么低,就是因为供大于求。
算一下,前10名学校,每个毕业200人,就是2000人,2000个职位,对于MBA的market来说太多了,当然我是指具一定规模的公司。算到500强的话,要每个公司都有4个空缺才够用。可能吗?所以说对于二流的学校,根本没有什么机会。
That's true. For tier 2 school graduates, it's hard to get into Fortune 500. But if you want to teach in harvard b-school or work in some "famous" companies, you are not at the same level with me. And I think, it is beyond most chinese students' expectation.


I don't want to argue with you. I think, maybe you are one of those best, but this doesn't mean those "average" people (including me) can not get a decent job /life here.
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