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是的，是的，恶人作恶总是有理由的。

“To Captain Butler Hauteville House, 25 November, 1861 You ask my opinion, Sir, about the China expedition. You consider this expedition to be honourable and glorious, and you have the kindness to attach some consideration to my feelings; according to you, the China expedition, carried out jointly under the flags of Queen Victoria and the Emperor Napoleon, is a glory to be shared between France and England, and you wish to know how much approval I feel I can give to this English and French victory. Since you wish to know my opinion, here it is: There was, in a corner of the world, a wonder of the world; this wonder was called the Summer Palace. Art has two principles, the Idea, which produces European art, and the Chimera, which produces oriental art. The Summer Palace was to chimerical art what the Parthenon is to ideal art. All that can be begotten of the imagination of an almost extra-human people was there. It was not a single, unique work like the Parthenon. It was a kind of enormous model of the chimera, if the chimera can have a model. Imagine some inexpressible construction, something like a lunar building, and you will have the Summer Palace. Build a dream with marble, jade, bronze and porcelain, frame it with cedar wood, cover it with precious stones, drape it with silk, make it here a sanctuary, there a harem, elsewhere a citadel, put gods there, and monsters, varnish it, enamel it, gild it, paint it, have architects who are poets build the thousand and one dreams of the thousand and one nights, add gardens, basins, gushing water and foam, swans, ibis, peacocks, suppose in a word a sort of dazzling cavern of human fantasy with the face of a temple and palace, such was this building. The slow work of generations had been necessary to create it. This edifice, as enormous as a city, had been built by the centuries, for whom? For the peoples. For the work of time belongs to man. Artists, poets and philosophers knew the Summer Palace; Voltaire talks of it. People spoke of the Parthenon in Greece, the pyramids in Egypt, the Coliseum in Rome, Notre-Dame in Paris, the Summer Palace in the Orient. If people did not see it they imagined it. It was a kind of tremendous unknown masterpiece, glimpsed from the distance in a kind of twilight, like a silhouette of the civilization of Asia on the horizon of the civilization of Europe. This wonder has disappeared. One day two bandits entered the Summer Palace. One plundered, the other burned. Victory can be a thieving woman, or so it seems. The devastation of the Summer Palace was accomplished by the two victors acting jointly. Mixed up in all this is the name of Elgin, which inevitably calls to mind the Parthenon. What was done to the Parthenon was done to the Summer Palace, more thoroughly and better, so that nothing of it should be left. All the treasures of all our cathedrals put together could not equal this formidable and splendid museum of the Orient. It contained not only masterpieces of art, but masses of jewelry. What a great exploit, what a windfall! One of the two victors filled his pockets; when the other saw this he filled his coffers. And back they came to Europe, arm in arm, laughing away. Such is the story of the two bandits. We Europeans are the civilized ones, and for us the Chinese are the barbarians. This is what civilization has done to barbarism. Before history, one of the two bandits will be called France; the other will be called England. But I protest, and I thank you for giving me the opportunity! the crimes of those who lead are not the fault of those who are led; Governments are sometimes bandits, peoples never. The French empire has pocketed half of this victory, and today with a kind of proprietorial naivety it displays the splendid bric-a-brac of the Summer Palace. I hope that a day will come when France, delivered and cleansed, will return this booty to despoiled China. Meanwhile, there is a theft and two thieves. I take note. This, Sir, is how much approval I give to the China expedition.” -Victor Hugo

原来袁腾飞是这么一号人物

感谢楼上贴出的英文信。袁腾飞这么说是有其政治目的还是只是个人偏见？

Victor Hugo这文笔太美了。原文是法语?

袁就是挺崇洋的。我早就感觉到了。只是和版上这些直白反华的比，还能含蓄些。

试想一个美国中学老师在课堂上注重于白人在美洲大陆的开疆拓土实际上就是各种对印第安人的出尔反尔，无情杀戮。在民主国家兴起的时候买卖人口榨取廉价，无价劳动力积累初级资本。并且对蓄奴性侵女奴的开国元勋破口大骂。你觉得他能继续一个星期这样的“授课”吗？早就被开了。袁腾飞在中国课堂上能蹦跶那么多年可谓叹为观止了。 老实说他那讲法也没什么新鲜的。讲课生动的历史老师多了。我们中学时就有一位，我总是觉得应该给他配块惊堂木，很有说书人的味道。不过人家就是教历史没有夹带那么多私货。

对于原腾飞这种敢于说真历史的历史老师廊乌们必须群起而攻之，一帮历史盲真的像小丑一样

回复 [url=http://forums.huaren.us/showtopic.aspx?topicid=2354398&postid=78968766#78968766]4楼Mintcafe的帖子[/url] 雨果说英法是两个强盗 原腾飞视频里也提到了 什么叫讲述历史？就是把多种声音都传递给大家让大家从更多的方面了解历史

看完整个视频再说吧，每个人对历史都有自己的讲评，

雨果还是让人钦佩的。试想当下国家在外出兵拓土，一个清醒的知识分子站出来说不。

Summer Palace不是颐和园吗?现在大家看到的颐和园难道是重新修的?

Summer Palace不是颐和园吗?现在大家看到的颐和园难道是重新修的?
drspurple 发表于 11/4/2018 9:39:13 AM [url=http://forums.huaren.us/showtopic.aspx?topicid=2354398&postid=78969466#78969466][/url]

圆明园和颐和园都是“summer palace” 其实都是皇帝过夏天的地方。“夏宫”。圆明园又叫“old summer palace".

这本来就是连法国人和英国人都自己承认的罪行和对文明的浩劫。还总有”中国人“站出来替”洋大人“涂脂抹粉。还要说抢是抢了烧是烧了，人家是文明地抢文明地烧的。要按这些人爱用的假装潮词”斯德哥尔摩综合征“来安，好像也不那么贴切。完全是一副不要嘴脸的奴颜媚色而已。

Summer Palace不是颐和园吗?现在大家看到的颐和园难道是重新修的?
drspurple 发表于 11/4/2018 9:39:13 AM [url=http://forums.huaren.us/showtopic.aspx?topicid=2354398&postid=78969466#78969466][/url]

当然是圆明园，现在叫老夏宫Old Summer Palace，圆明园一直在国外非常有名，使节传教士都描写过它有多么辉煌壮观，有兴趣可以去查查当时的文献，伏尔泰曾经用鸟窝来形容和圆明园对比的凡尔赛，颐和园被八国联军毁过，但是毁的不像圆明园那么彻底，被清政府修复了很多部分，因为慈禧主要居住在颐和园。

义和团滥杀外国传教士和中国教民，还杀了外国大使，围攻炮轰外国大使馆。清政府睁只眼闭只眼，暗中默许。这才引来八国联军。六毛和自干五们看战狼时，看中国政府远征救侨看得豪情万丈涕泪横流，怎么对外国政府救侨就不理解了？人家救侨就成恶行了？

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雨果说英法是两个强盗 原腾飞视频里也提到了

什么叫讲述历史？就是把多种声音都传递给大家让大家从更多的方面了解历史
exclamation 发表于 11/4/2018 8:46:20 AM [url=http://forums.huaren.us/showtopic.aspx?topicid=2354398&postid=78969208#78969208][/url]

呵呵，譬如二战日寇侵华，对那段历史，中国人，日本人，服务日本人的汉奸的角度绝对不同，都有他们的立场嘛。

义和团滥杀外国传教士和中国教民，还杀了外国大使，围攻炮轰外国大使馆。清政府睁只眼闭只眼，暗中默许。这才引来八国联军。六毛和自干五们看战狼时，看中国政府远征救侨看得豪情万丈涕泪横流，怎么对外国政府救侨就不理解了？人家救侨就成恶行了？
mannbo 发表于 11/4/2018 11:10:26 AM [url=http://forums.huaren.us/showtopic.aspx?topicid=2354398&postid=78969999#78969999][/url]

义和团为神马杀传教士和教民？中国农民手痒痒就想杀人？读不懂历史文献的话，读读老舍的正红旗下，战狼里救侨是跑去人家的土地烧杀抢掠放火强奸去了？好奇怪啊，你站的完全不是中国人或者旁观者的角度，是神马造成你这种心理的很值得研究，你是信教的？

原来是这等货色