天，他们还说不影响别人呢。
这是为啥亚，就是他们可以结婚，上面写groom1 and 2不成么。
另外他们是不是也有一定角色分配阿。
闹着要marriage,但是不愿意被称为groom, bride?![[em65]](https://emojis.huaren.us/static/emojis/v1/yoci/em65.gif)
现在研究吧，这个先天后天一半一半。基因完全一样的，50%是gay.
那么对孩子的引导是不是挺重要呢？
我们看周围，美国人用左手写字的特别多。这个绝对是遗传。中国人里面是左手基因少么？还是我们小时候大人有意引导，扳过来的？这个左手右手其实没必要扳，但是这个性向，对孩子未来真的是无所谓么？我想大多数异性父母，对自己孩子都还是有一定的期望吧。
我有个疑问，为什么一定要叫marriage?marriage是a husband and a wife，一般人的概念里吧。
他们可不可以叫partiege(considering the two party description),merriege,或者mirriige，whatever,所有权利义务都有，也不会offend到别人了？
Hey, people without kids may not understand.
Please do not say " your kids..........", and a word related to sex behavior in the same sentence. It's rather provoking and a mother can easily get overprotective.
faint, words can be twisted this way. Then at least you should notice who mentioned kids doing the activity first.
Or, if you mean which ***e kids should be EDUCATed about, don't be disgusted. Any parent would have to do that at one time point.
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she mentioned people .................., not kid.............
She is also concerned about sex education for young children regarding different forms of marriage.
She did not use the most graceful word possible, but she did not start attacking others' children.
Someone can really enjoy some mean words, but get irritated when those words reflect back. Interesting.
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算了不说了，都是有孩子的人，这个不是理由.
我觉得你不是有意offend，但是说your kid如何就是特别容易冒犯到别的妈妈。
还有几个，有点打群架的意思了，看着是有点欺负人了。
我路过打酱油的，大家继续。
孩子以后干啥谁也不知道，杀人放火的也是有爹妈生的。
但是当爹妈的，不是还是一心想着孩子好么。
话归正传，说这个是天生的，但是看看不是还有后天改进的余地么。再说凡是gay一定有个啥基因么？那没有这个基因的是不是后来给教坏了的？孩子长大了的事情咱管不了，小时候还是希望孩子多受正面熏陶，是不是这个道理呢。
＂Ｉwas disgusted because you are talking about which hole the kids should be ****ed＂
这也是你说的。你真懂假懂，这区别也太大了吧。
she might mean "kids should be educated about?"
And accidentally get the stars instead.![[em69]](https://emojis.huaren.us/static/emojis/v1/yoci/em69.gif)
这个最后通过了么？
是yes还是no，都是人民的呼声阿。
父母有选择如何教育子女的自由，通过了，觉得加州歧视部分公民对孩子影响不好的，可以搬到麻省。美通过，害怕公立学校被这个风气污染，可以选择符合父母教育思想的私校，或者搬到保守一点的州去。
大家不要伤了和气，都没有投票权，支持啥也没用阿。赶快赚钱，让自己能有最多的选择是现实的。
有多少人觉得婚姻应该是一夫一妻呢？没人要禁止同性恋行为，只是觉得他们那个叫marriage不太合适。
比如，婚外情，这个也和乱伦，卖淫，不是一个category， 这个行为有争议，当事人可能觉得命运作弄不能自已。这个行为社会上很多了，也有陆一曼，还有啥别的听美好的例子。
但是要是这些人说作为小三，情妇受到了歧视，要争取一夫多妻合法化，是不是就让人难以接受呢？
总之，道德上的标准每个人都不一样，大多数人能接受，就可以作。所以要投票，这个彼此不太可能说服的，有什么观点有投票权就一定要投，然后就接受结果好了。
I am glad that it is passed, at list it sends out a message to people what is the right direction that we as human being should go for. I think 乱伦and同性恋 are in the same category, as they are against the biological rule that i have been believing in. As more and more ppl 乱伦 and 同性恋, human being will extinct eventually, although it is very unlikely to happen.
If you look at the summary of arguement against prop 8:
Equality under the law is a fundamental freedom. Regardless of how we feel about marriage, singling people (if a farther and his daughter are both single, and they want to get married, can you accept that? ) out to be treated differently is wrong (If two things are different, i don't see why we call them the same name). Prop. 8 won't affect our schools, but it will mean loving couples are treated differently under our Constitution and denied equal protection under the law (They can get the same protection as marriage can bring them, i am not against that, but not under the name of marriage).
I like your blue words. Good argument!
But I don't think we can persuade anyone on this issue.
Really, why they insist on "marriage", they already accept the word "gay" and "les", why not use "gayrage" and "lesage", why would that hurt their feeling?
所以说道德的标准对错是很模糊的。
赞成同性恋婚姻的，可能有一百条理由反对卖淫嫖娼，其实不过是每个人的道德标准不一样而已。
投票就是看看大多数人怎么想，顺着大伙儿的意思。
because they themselves also know that they are special group in the entire population and they want to be called NORMAL.
well, imagine if you happily announce the news at work: I am going to get married the coming May! And got response like: Congratulations! a boy or a girl?
that is why i support them to get whatever marriage can bring them but under a different definition. They should propose such a proposition and i will certainly vote for yes if i have the right to vote.
Right, like in history, in most people's mind, marriage means a husband and a wife.
We can respect gayrage or lesage, and let them have all the rights in marriage-but no, they are not satisfied. They insist that a marriage should include two husbands or two wives. They insist the word groom and bride should be changed to Two parties instead. Now see who is invading who's life.
Like for descrimination, we don't like to be descriminated as asians. or Yellow people. or Colored people. So the government has all the laws to prohibit descrimination against asian, colored people. But we don't ask to be called white.
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以下是引用ranran_sweety在2008-11-5 2:40:00的发言：That is exactly we are not being treated equally as whites.
you want to be called white?
don't you feel an asian, or a black, is as good as white?
they are called different names, so that you feel they are not treated equal?
这个偷换概念了吧.
同性恋人群也没有要求被称作直人, 他们是要求他们的婚姻能够合法化.
如果说黄种人之间的婚姻法律不承认, 说你们反正该享受的都享受的到, 犯不着非要争取一个跟白种人婚姻一样的名头, 不然你们就叫黄昏好了, 但是不能算作法律认可的婚姻. 你说你要不要去争取?
这个问题没人提出来过啊，提出来能到投票这一步，可以看看大家怎么想的阿。以前不是不同人种还不能结婚么，后来不是大部分人都转过弯儿了。你说这个不是道德问题，那他就是一个大家心里的一格什么标准，反正是在那儿，不同的人标准肯定不一样，让大家投票不就是最后从众的意思。
就是他要把我们结婚叫hun-yin,我也真不觉得什么，也不反对证书上写xinlang xinniang 要是汉字就更好了。
最后，我们婚姻可以翻成marriage,丈夫是husband,老婆是wife， 小妾不合法了，就算了。
这个两个丈夫非要叫婚姻，还是挺新鲜的。
Please lecture me what fancy words you are going to use to explain those to kids or how you expect schools to explain. Do not tell me kids won't ask or they will figure out by themselves.
youknow, there are stories like bees and flowers,,,,,![[em73]](https://emojis.huaren.us/static/emojis/v1/yoci/em73.gif)
Not sure if they are still in fashion.
对. 类似的还有不同信仰的人之间的婚姻不被一方的信仰所接受这样的例子
历史上，各种文化里，婚姻有没有过被泛指为包括两夫，两妻的概念。
如果没有，这就是引进一个新的概念，我们给他一个新的term，有什么问题呢？
Want to be treated equally doesn't mean "want to be called white". Why you always like to change the concept?
well, sorry for the confusion.
my point is "being called a different name does not equal to being descriminated".
So "we are not called white=/ we are descriminated"
so a gay-gay union can be called gayrage, and it's not descrimination.
