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Ebichu

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以下是引用dust07在2008-11-5 1:52:00的发言：

关键的问题就是很多人不认为卖淫嫖娼和乱伦与同性恋是一个category，like me

me 2, i voted no. It's not like prop 8 is going to make gays disappear. It's safer, and marriage is the essential foundation to society. Society encourages unity, gay couples can still raise straight kids, just like my friend.

Ebichu

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It's like inter-racial marriage did not get legalized until 1967, and people are perfectly fine with it now. Society will be more tolerant if the law encourages it. Just think how people back then looked at inter-racial marriage.

Ebichu

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以下是引用angeliali在2008-11-5 2:50:00的发言：

不同种族的婚姻在中国存在了不知道多少年。跟这个压根不是一回事好不好。

No matter where it has existed, china or u.s., at one time point people had trouble accepting it.

Ebichu

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以下是引用page394在2008-11-5 2:59:00的发言：

历史上，各种文化里，婚姻有没有过被泛指为包括两夫，两妻的概念。

如果没有，这就是引进一个新的概念，我们给他一个新的term，有什么问题呢？

All they want is to have their relationships to be legitimate

Ebichu

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以下是引用page394在2008-11-5 3:05:00的发言：

well, sorry for the confusion.

my point is "being called a different name does not equal to being descriminated".

So "we are not called white=/ we are descriminated"

so a gay-gay union can be called gayrage, and it's not descrimination.

Let's just say "we are not called white = we are not being discriminated"
Names are used for stereotypes, and stereotypes CAN lead to inequality

Ebichu

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以下是引用page394在2008-11-5 3:15:00的发言：

也许有一天没有婚姻的概念了，人们因为相爱而走到一起，因为不爱而分开，按自愿抚养子女，不需要法律，只需要感情。

未来的事情谁说得准，我还是觉得这是个moral issue，是和当时当地的社会环境，大家的意向分不开的。最后就是从众而已。

以前看得符合道德的，现在未必，比如一夫多妻。以前觉得流氓的，现在可能符合道德，比如婚前性/同居。我们都是生活在现在。

It just provides people with legal rights entitled to married people. With that being said, maybe people feel more secured and bonded to be married

Ebichu

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以下是引用page394在2008-11-5 3:19:00的发言：

names represents certain defination.

I'm a girl, not a boy. That's what I am, any inequality between man and woman is not because of the name!

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Well how about suppose you are the greatest artist in the world and people just say that "you are the greatest FEMALE artist in the world"?

Ebichu

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To those who don't mind being called female in my example, there is an inherent distinction by adding "female" into the sentence, it essentially syas that you are the best in your category (i.e. female) when you are better than ALL other artists in the world, male/female/young/old, whatever

Ebichu

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以下是引用page394在2008-11-5 3:54:00的发言：

As I said, we live in current society, and want our children to be well prepared for that.

Parents in the 60's don't want their kids do inter-racial marriage, because society is hard on them. Parents in the 70's in China don't want their daughters to have sex before marriage, because the society is hard on them. Parents now don't want their kids to be homo, because it's doomed to be hard. Parents may not be politically right always, but their intuition tells the best

I like your argument, all/most parents want the best for their kids. But simply by educating them about homosexual won't necessarily make them prone to gays. Though it is still in debate as to whether it's a genetic thing, i think it's it's human's natural instinct that will govern. So being said that law will change people's perception over time and to make gay couples legitimate, then if the kid does turn out to be gay, then at least they are under the protection of law.

Ebichu

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以下是引用cloudymind在2008-11-5 16:49:00的发言：

诡辩一句，照这个逻辑，两个没法生孩子的男女还能不能“marry”，或者只能“partner” ?

Exactly what I want to say

Ebichu

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以下是引用seven3在2008-11-5 16:50:00的发言：

所以说有些人的脑子已经彻底被犹太人占据的好莱坞和主流媒体给洗干净了。

Now you are discriminating Jews!! Hohoh

Ebichu

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以下是引用vivien0612在2008-11-5 17:11:00的发言：

你驳不过就使劲在这拿特殊情况举例，我说不能生育的夫妇生理不健全，应为“不能生”本来就叫做不健全。丁克是不能生么？不能生和不相生一样么？

Gay couple也有选择想生不想生的权力啊，现在也不是没有serrogate mother/精子库，世界上还有很多等待领养的小孩呢

Ebichu

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以下是引用vivien0612在2008-11-5 17:20:00的发言：

其实我本来也想说不想生是心理有病的，但是觉得不合适，因为不想生不仅仅是因为不喜欢小孩，也可能是经济不允许，没有准备好做父母，或者其他的，而且想不想这种事情很难说，今天不想，也许明天就想了。

设想一下，如果你的孩子不幸成为同性恋（我认为不幸是因为成了还不能被接受的minority)，难道你就不想社会政府为他们提供legal protection and equality?

Ebichu

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以下是引用vivien0612在2008-11-5 17:30:00的发言：

在接受正确的性教育前，小孩子是怎么发现自己是同性恋的？

Natural instinct，我朋友在小学时就自己知道了

Ebichu

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以下是引用daka在2008-11-5 17:39:00的发言：

gay里有先天也有后天的。以前是先天的比重达，现在后天的比重越来越大。

现在觉得后天的比重大是因为以前一直被压抑着，现在不然而然的就表露出来了

Ebichu

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以下是引用annastasia在2008-11-5 18:59:00的发言：

一知半解更容易妖魔化我觉得

如果小孩子那么受影响，我早就入党了

还是滚爷厉害

Ebichu

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以下是引用vivien0612在2008-11-5 20:15:00的发言：

Gay couple也有选择想生不想生的权力啊，现在也不是没有serrogate mother/精子库，世界上还有很多等待领养的小孩呢

其实他们不能领养，不合法

很多地方是不合法，但是我的同学就是这样长大的

Ebichu

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以下是引用seven3在2008-11-5 20:27:00的发言：

我不跟不懂的人一般见识，呵呵

You started all this, you named Jews, I was just simply commenting on what you said

Ebichu

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以下是引用seven3在2008-11-5 21:18:00的发言：

有的人就喜欢当警察，我愿意说jews跟你又什莫关系？你是jews?
另外看得出来你对美国jews根本不了解，我不跟你说。

不跟我说，你不是还在说吗？
Jews是跟我没什么关系，同性恋跟我也什么关系，那是不是我们不应该管跟我们无切身利益的事呢？
我并不同意美国对Jews的看法，并不是说多数就是对的

Ebichu

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WW25

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