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用刃不清是不是归techinal panel管,只要technical panel那边通过了,是不是9个judge就不会扣细节了?
lingling7 发表于 2/23/2018 10:22:20 AM [url=http://forums.huaren.us/showtopic.aspx?topicid=2270302&postid=77004392#77004392][/url]
这里有详细的解释

[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISU_Judging_System#Technical_panel这里有详细的解释]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISU_Judging_System#Technical_panel[/url]
Technical panel
Under the ISU Judging System, base value of each element performed by the skater is identified by the Technical Panel. The Technical Panel's purpose is to identify all of the elements performed by the skater in real time as they happen. They are also responsible for any "technical errors" to jumps; identifying falls of the skater- and any "levels of difficulty" performed in Spins and Steps.

The Technical Panel is comprised of five people. The first is the Technical Specialist (TS) who verbally calls the elements as they happen in real time. The second is the Assistant Technical Specialist (ATS) whose primary purpose is to take written notes on all the elements performed and weigh in on any decisions on technical calls during "the review". The third person is the Technical Controller (TC) who is there to supervise the panel, and break ties on technical decisions during the review of elements when the TS and ATS do not agree. The Controller is also responsible for "rule vetting" the program, and to throw out any elements that break the rules for that level and specific program. Fourth is the Data Operator (DO) who puts the codes of the elements and levels of difficulty into the computer system. The Data Operator also flags elements called "for review". In the United States the Data Operator also replays the video clips of the elements during the review process. The Data person is also the Controller's right hand man (or woman) to rule vet, in the event the controller is unsure or makes a mistake. Lastly is the Video Replay Operator, who marks clips of elements for review. In the United States, this person is not involved in the Review process. Internationally, however, this person replays the clips in place of the Data Operator.

裁判们管的是GOE和PCS
Judging panel
The judging panel's primary purpose is to grade the quality of each individual technical element performed by the skater (known as a Grade of Execution or GOE), and the five Program Component Scores for each segment of the competitions. The five component scores replaced the old "presentation mark" in the 6.0 system. At most international events and other large National Championships (like the U.S. Championships) there are nine judges, but at smaller competitions a panel could be comprised of four, five, six, or seven judges. Unlike the way an odd number of judges was needed in the old 6.0 system to break ties, this isn't necessary with averaging marks in IJS.

Grade of Execution (GOE)
The evaluation of the Grade of Execution (GOE) for each element has clear guidelines from the ISU and ranges from a "base value" of 0, to as high as +3 and as low as -3. If ever questioned by the referee (post-event) the judges must be able to support each mark they awarded. To award positive GOE's a judge must have a certain number of "positive bullets" and almost no reductions. Two positive bullets are needed for a +1, four bullets for a +2, and six for a +3. For a negative GOE a judge must be able to support the reduction from the published list of reductions. As skaters before elements, the judges are evaluating all phases of the element, and possibly weighing both positive and negative things to award a final GOE. [3] As part of the process of only evaluating quality of elements, the judges only see on their screens the element codes, and do not see levels of difficulty awarded by the Technical Panel.
Program Component Scores (PCS)[[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=ISU_Judging_System&action=edit&section=7]edit[/url]]

The five program component scores are skating skills, transitions, performance, composition, and interpretation. Each mark has individual characteristics to be evaluated and they are scored from 0.25 to 10.00 in quarter-point increments. This scale from zero to ten is an absolute scale, so if 6.00 is considered "above average" then each judge’s understanding of a 6.00 should remain the same throughout an event and their judging careers.


Skating skills: Evaluating the skater's command of the blade over the ice. This includes ability to skate with power, and ease, forwards and backwards; clockwise and counter-clockwise. How acute the skater’s blade is to the ice, and how clean and clear their curves are over the ice (known as edge quality.) Excellent skating skills are skaters that skate fast, easily, and flow over with soft knees and ankles. Poor skating skills are scratchy and noisy, with the skaters pushing from their toes, and not from the sides of the blades.

Transitions: This mark is evaluating all the "in between" skating when not performing technical elements, I.e. whether the skater is merely skating in circles, or with different turns and steps, perhaps also using their arms. A program with good transitions "threads" all the elements together and will make the skater's program seem effortless. Poor transitions are sometimes nonexistent or merely places between the technical elements with a precise "stopping" point where the skater begins to prepare for another technical element.

Performance: This is where the PCS start to become slightly more abstract. Is the skater physically, emotionally, and mentally involved in a program? Does the skater project to the entire audience and arena? Does the skater have presence on the ice with good carriage? Project their own personality while skating?

Composition: This has to do with the pattern and spacing over the ice, i.e., how the technical elements are placed throughout the surface. Does the skater always skate in the same place on the ice or are they using the entire area given to them? Is there a purpose to the way the program is constructed? Perhaps they are skating about an abstract idea like rain or snow; or even about a specific story (e.g. when skating to a movie soundtrack or ballet). Does the movement in the program match the phrasing of the music? Perhaps with a traditional musical "call and answer" or something more abstract.

Interpretation: This is known to many as whether the skater is skating with their "soul" (versus Composition which is more about the choreography). Does the skater skate in time to the music, or are all the movements just off by a beat or two? Does the skater reflect every little trill and ding in a moment? [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISU_Judging_System#cite_note-4][4][/url]
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不光媒体。美国队那个日本小姑娘也很是自大。觉得自己和Adam为美国队团体拿第三贡献大。完成得多么多么好。这实力在这呢,选择看不见

SuperJ 发表于 2/23/2018 2:11:08 PM [url=http://forums.huaren.us/showtopic.aspx?topicid=2270302&postid=77006557#77006557][/url]
是,她直言 "I saved the team a little bit". 而且现在找借口呢,什么没洗上热水澡等。
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是,她直言 "I saved the team a little bit". 而且现在找借口呢,什么没洗上热水澡等。

稻香村 发表于 2/23/2018 2:19:37 PM [url=http://forums.huaren.us/showtopic.aspx?topicid=2270302&postid=77006654#77006654][/url]
何止洗澡。韩国人庆祝新年导致人太多害她堵车。日本人是不是不过农历年。袜子上涂个USA。我烦她烦得不行。
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是,她直言 "I saved the team a little bit". 而且现在找借口呢,什么没洗上热水澡等。

稻香村 发表于 2/23/2018 2:19:37 PM [url=http://forums.huaren.us/showtopic.aspx?topicid=2270302&postid=77006654#77006654][/url]

怎么没有人讨论昨天第三个russian 姑娘, Maria Sotskova, 好像清秀版的 Ivanka Trump. 她今天google上了热搜。
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棒子长大了也丑

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她在16-17赛季之前都不行,这两年技术终于稳定下来,加上她的高贵加拿大国籍,成绩一路上涨。

Chibi_Maruko 发表于 2/23/2018 11:55:16 AM [url=http://forums.huaren.us/showtopic.aspx?topicid=2270302&postid=77005175#77005175][/url]
她昨天总算比较稳定。美国的那几个不失误也没戏。。。何况失误本身就说明了实力。
昨天Karen说鞋子不合脚是什么意思?大赛的时候用的装备难道事前不检查,没有备份的?
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是,她直言 "I saved the team a little bit". 而且现在找借口呢,什么没洗上热水澡等。

稻香村 发表于 2/23/2018 2:19:37 PM [url=http://forums.huaren.us/showtopic.aspx?topicid=2270302&postid=77006654#77006654][/url]
我有点同情她,上次是被顶掉的。
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韩国那个身材比例太感人了,袜子套在冰鞋上还是1:1
pattyandbump 发表于 2/22/2018 9:19:48 PM [url=http://forums.huaren.us/showtopic.aspx?topicid=2270302&postid=77001012#77001012][/url]
哈哈,贴个图让我们感动一下
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怎么没有人讨论昨天第三个russian 姑娘, Maria Sotskova, 好像清秀版的 Ivanka Trump. 她今天google上了热搜。

fufusix 发表于 2/23/2018 2:29:16 PM [url=http://forums.huaren.us/showtopic.aspx?topicid=2270302&postid=77006766#77006766][/url]
换个国籍就做一姐了,在俄国就出不了头了。。。。她个性是不是太安静了点,不象梅娃和杂技娃有股冲劲狠劲。
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换个国籍就做一姐了,在俄国就出不了头了。。。。她个性是不是太安静了点,不象梅娃和杂技娃有股冲劲狠劲。

Ruth 发表于 2/23/2018 2:41:16 PM [url=http://forums.huaren.us/showtopic.aspx?topicid=2270302&postid=77006887#77006887][/url]
她个子很高有1米72,所以跳跃之类的动作做起来更有难度。但是她非常美,很优雅。
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是,她直言 "I saved the team a little bit". 而且现在找借口呢,什么没洗上热水澡等。

稻香村 发表于 2/23/2018 2:19:37 PM [url=http://forums.huaren.us/showtopic.aspx?topicid=2270302&postid=77006654#77006654][/url]
我真是不太喜欢mirai lp滑完以后那个吊儿郎当的姿态,耸着肩驼着背晃荡半天才回去鞠躬,非常难看而且觉得态度不好
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我真是不太喜欢mirai lp滑完以后那个吊儿郎当的姿态,耸着肩驼着背晃荡半天才回去鞠躬,非常难看而且觉得态度不好

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就是,当是解说还以为她受伤了身体不舒服还是咋的。
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就是,当是解说还以为她受伤了身体不舒服还是咋的。

saisai 发表于 2/23/2018 2:49:18 PM [url=http://forums.huaren.us/showtopic.aspx?topicid=2270302&postid=77006972#77006972][/url]

心里不舒服吧,上次机会被人顶掉,憋着一口气来的,上次如果入选估计不会坚持到这个年纪,我猜这是她谢幕之战了,失误了(当然不失误也就那样),很闷吧
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是,她直言 "I saved the team a little bit". 而且现在找借口呢,什么没洗上热水澡等。

稻香村 发表于 2/23/2018 2:19:37 PM [url=http://forums.huaren.us/showtopic.aspx?topicid=2270302&postid=77006654#77006654][/url]
我真是不太喜欢mirai lp滑完以后那个吊儿郎当的姿态,耸着肩驼着背晃荡半天才回去鞠躬,非常难看而且觉得态度不好
canaled 发表于 2/23/2018 2:46:23 PM
对啊,看起来像身体不舒服一样,谁知道人家就是任性。仪态太差了。赛场上直接犯病
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我真是不太喜欢mirai lp滑完以后那个吊儿郎当的姿态,耸着肩驼着背晃荡半天才回去鞠躬,非常难看而且觉得态度不好
canaled 发表于 2/23/2018 2:46:23 PM [url=http://forums.huaren.us/showtopic.aspx?topicid=2270302&postid=77006946#77006946][/url]
她团体跳完那个 triple axel 之后就有点自我放飞吧,解说本来以为她LP要补跳 的,结果也没有。今天有些媒体就批评她没有奥运精神,也顺带说了下美国这个制度问题。选手都在鼓励下长大,没有俄罗斯那种狠劲。
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她团体跳完那个 triple axel 之后就有点自我放飞吧,解说本来以为她LP要补跳 的,结果也没有。今天有些媒体就批评她没有奥运精神,也顺带说了下美国这个制度问题。选手都在鼓励下长大,没有俄罗斯那种狠劲。

mooncake25 发表于 2/23/2018 3:00:26 PM [url=http://forums.huaren.us/showtopic.aspx?topicid=2270302&postid=77007105#77007105][/url]
其实美国不止运动员,老百姓也一样没有反省反思的精神
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她团体跳完那个 triple axel 之后就有点自我放飞吧,解说本来以为她LP要补跳 的,结果也没有。今天有些媒体就批评她没有奥运精神,也顺带说了下美国这个制度问题。选手都在鼓励下长大,没有俄罗斯那种狠劲。

mooncake25 发表于 2/23/2018 3:00:26 PM [url=http://forums.huaren.us/showtopic.aspx?topicid=2270302&postid=77007105#77007105][/url]
其实美国不止运动员,老百姓也一样没有反省反思的精神

pattyandbump 发表于 2/23/2018 3:03:21 PM
他们岂止是不反思。youtube上关于俄罗斯艺术体操芭蕾还有花滑的视频底下,基本上都是美国人的攻击。说他们训练起来太残忍之类的。
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我有点同情她,上次是被顶掉的。
Ruth 发表于 2/23/2018 2:39:56 PM [url=http://forums.huaren.us/showtopic.aspx?topicid=2270302&postid=77006871#77006871][/url]

唉,我本来不想说这个的。有点不吐不快,还是说了吧。Mirai的故事很长,我拣相关的说。
首先很多人以为派那些选手出战奥运会是全美一战定胜负。而事实不是这样的,当选手实力没有绝对差距时,冰协还要综合考虑选手们在其他比赛的表现,特别是最近两个赛季的各种大小赛事成绩。
10-14周期Mirai的表现很一般,四年里在8站大奖赛的成绩分别是 2 4 / 2 5 / 4 3 /3 8,没有一次积分足够高到能进总决赛。全美的成绩是 3 7 7 3,四大洲是 3 N/A N/A 10。连续三年未曾参加过一次世锦赛。

Mirai 除了存周和flutz、跳跃稳定性差之外,这几个赛季的节目质量并不高,PCS屡屡受挫。按照裁判对她的印象,她在奥运会上拿不到很高的PCS。

而Ashley Wagner 四年里在8站大奖赛的成绩分别是 3 5 / 3 4 / 1 1 /1 2。12年底的GPF第2, 13年底的GPF第2。12世锦赛第4 ,13年世锦赛第5。全美的成绩是 6 1 1 4。12年四大洲 第一。很明显Ashley无论是发挥稳定性还是PCS的基础,都远胜Mirai。

如果美国冰协完全按照全美的成绩决定人选,让Mirai去参加sochi冬奥会,那就亏死了。Ashley在冬奥会第7的成绩, 以Mirai当时的状态是无论如何也做不到的。而且Mirai曾经有过一次黑历史。2010年世锦赛,被力捧的她SP排名第一,LP大抽只获得了第11,总成绩第7。导致美国失去了2011年世锦赛的三个参赛名额。

说Mirai被顶掉,其实对Ashley很不公平。Ashley是靠自己的实力而不是其他的因素入选美国代表队的。
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最烦美国那个miara,一脸不在乎的样,真的很讨人厌
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我有点同情她,上次是被顶掉的。
Ruth 发表于 2/23/2018 2:39:56 PM [url=http://forums.huaren.us/showtopic.aspx?topicid=2270302&postid=77006871#77006871][/url]

唉,我本来不想说这个的。有点不吐不快,还是说了吧。Mirai的故事很长,我拣相关的说。
首先很多人以为派那些选手出战奥运会是全美一战定胜负。而事实不是这样的,当选手实力没有绝对差距时,冰协还要综合考虑选手们在其他比赛的表现,特别是最近两个赛季的各种大小赛事成绩。
10-14周期Mirai的表现很一般,四年里在8站大奖赛的成绩分别是 2 4 / 2 5 / 4 3 /3 8,没有一次积分足够高到能进总决赛。全美的成绩是 3 7 7 3,四大洲是 3 N/A N/A 10。连续三年未曾参加过一次世锦赛。

Mirai 除了存周和flutz、跳跃稳定性差之外,这几个赛季的节目质量并不高,PCS屡屡受挫。按照裁判对她的印象,她在奥运会上拿不到很高的PCS。

而Ashley Wagner 四年里在8站大奖赛的成绩分别是 3 5 / 3 4 / 1 1 /1 2。12年底的GPF第2, 13年底的GPF第2。12世锦赛第4 ,13年世锦赛第5。全美的成绩是 6 1 1 4。12年四大洲 第一。很明显Ashley无论是发挥稳定性还是PCS的基础,都远胜Mirai。

如果美国冰协完全按照全美的成绩决定人选,让Mirai去参加sochi冬奥会,那就亏死了。Ashley在冬奥会第7的成绩, 以Mirai当时的状态是无论如何也做不到的。而且Mirai曾经有过一次黑历史。2010年世锦赛,被力捧的她SP排名第一,LP大抽只获得了第11,总成绩第7。导致美国失去了2011年世锦赛的三个参赛名额。

说Mirai被顶掉,其实对Ashley很不公平。Ashley是靠自己的实力而不是其他的因素入选美国代表队的。





Chibi_Maruko 发表于 2/23/2018 3:11:50 PM
那就不要办选拔赛,就靠赛季表现打分啊。任何事前含糊规则或者事后改规则的,我都觉得流氓。另外,我个人觉得选拔赛一锤子买卖有合理的一面,因为奥运四年一次,压力很大,跟常规赛季不太一样,平时表现再好,关键时刻腿软的,跟水平差结果一样。
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