想省钱就不要买RV，RV肯定会多花钱， 但是生活质量提高了， 享受了。买了RV还是可以坐飞机住酒店不犯法的。

Exuberant 发表于 2021-01-23 23:19

同意！以前去过各国家公园走马观花，根本就不应该是这样的玩法，就要开着房车住一段时间，旅行的质量高出一筹。如果是class B，也能时不时去住个酒店。

一直心痒痒想买airstream但是最近有看一个YouTube博主买的caravel瓦斯泄漏宠物死了俩人进了急诊然后售后还很差修很久修不好 犹豫了 一家三口 lz还有哪些推荐的trailer车型吗？

另外lz觉得多大的娃出去rv旅行最好呢？学龄前的小娃会不会太早了？

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差不多，租了次31尺的福特底盘forester房车，平均下来10MPG，如果停在野外开发电机的话，油耗更加感人

想省钱就不要买RV，RV肯定会多花钱， 但是生活质量提高了， 享受了。买了RV还是可以坐飞机住酒店不犯法的。

Exuberant 发表于 2021-01-23 23:19

不能同意一定多花钱的说法。我转个几年前一个美国工程师写的十分仔细计算。更不用说在疫情下RV 又添加了卫生防疫的好处。

总而言之，一个B Class 有卫生，便宜，方便与灵活四大好处。

Is traveling by RV really cheaper than staying in hotels? （ excerpt)

Working or retired, who doesn’t dream of traveling more? When I early retired, we aspired to travel several months out of the year. So we bought a small RV. RVs are flexible and comfortable. You travel on your own schedule, overnighting any place that interests you. You sleep in your own bed and eat your own food. It’s like being at home while being on vacation.

I assumed that owning a small RV would save us money. And it does. But if you’re thinking about renting an RV this summer? Well, you might want to reconsider. Here’s why.

Let’s crunch the number on three modes of road-trip travel: (1) driving your own car and staying in hotels; (2) owning a small RV; or (3) renting a small RV. (I focus on small RVs here—those less than about 25 feet in length—because they are most cost effective. These modern small RVs are economical and comfortable for a couple or small family.)

For each option, we’ll compute the cost per mile of owning the vehicle. To this, we’ll add the cost of driving the vehicle, based on its fuel consumption and the current national average cost of gasoline, about $2.70 per gallon as this is written. That will give us an overall cost per mile of operating the vehicle.

Next, we’ll figure the daily expense for traveling, based on average hotel and camping ratesv. For food costs, we’ll compare the expense of dining out for hotel travel with preparing meals in an RV. I’ll use national averages when possible, plus my own experience and estimates.

What we’ll discover is that the essential trade-off of RV ownership is that it saves you on daily costs at the expense of mileage costs. An RV is more expensive to own and drive, but saves you each day on lodging and meals. Your personal breakeven point will depend on your lifestyle and travel plans. Let’s dig into the numbers.

Staying in Hotels

On a traditional driving vacation you use your own car, stay in hotels, and dine out. Assume a used vehicle purchased for $20,000 with 20,000 miles, an expected lifetime of 150,000 miles, a salvage value of $2,000, and annual maintenance costs of $900 over 15 years. That comes to a capital cost of $0.24/mile. Assuming 30 mpg gives fuel costs of $0.09/mile, for a total operating cost of $0.33/mile.

Using the national average hotel room rate of $121 per night and assuming that dining out costs $60 per day, we arrive at a daily cost of $181 for a traditional vacation. (These costs could be far higher in choice vacation spots.)

Owning Your Own Small RV

Next let’s look at the cost of owning a small RV. Assume a used rig purchased for $80,000 with 20,000 miles, an expected lifetime of 150,000 miles, a salvage value of $4,000, and annual maintenance costs of $1,700 over 15 years. That comes to a capital cost of $0.78/mile. Assuming 15 mpg gives fuel costs of $0.18/mile, for a total operating cost of $0.96/mile. 

Using an average campground rate of $25 per night and groceries of $30 per day for preparing meals in your RV, we arrive at a daily cost of $55 for vacationing in your own RV. 

Renting a Small RV

Finally, let’s consider renting a small RV. There is no ownership cost. The total operating cost is $0.18/mile based on fuel consumption. (This assumes you stay under the typical 100 miles per day average allowance for a rental RV, otherwise there would be an additional mileage charge.)

Based on my survey of RV rental prices at three regional dealers and one national chain, the average rental rate for a small RV is about $205 a day. Adding to that a campground rate of $25 per night, plus meal costs of $30 per day, we arrive at a daily cost of $260 for vacationing in a small rental RV. 

Bottom Line

Daily cost ($50) x total days  +  RV operating cost ($0.5/mi ) x  miles

Now that we have per-mile operating costs plus daily living costs for each mode of travel, we can calculate the total cost for two representative vacations: a 500-mile trip over 7 days, and a 2,000-mile trip over 21 days.

Owning a small RV is the clear winner for both trips, with costs of $865 and $3,077, respectively. The traditional vacation is next at $1,433 and $4,466. And the rented RV is most expensive, at $1,910 and $5,820.

Owning a small RV lets you travel for only 60%-70% of the traditional car-plus-hotel cost. That means half againas much vacation time, if you’re living on a fixed income in retirement! The exact savings will depend on the nature of your travel. Low-mileage, long-duration trips are the most cost effective in an RV. The breakeven point is about 200 miles a day. If you drive less than that on average, an RV beats the traditional car/hotel vacation.

So owning a small RV is the cheapest mode of extended travel. But try before you buy. This is when a RV rental can make sense. Once you’re certain RV living is for you, shop used RVs. We bought our 3-year old rig for about half price, and it has held its value well. Finally, never take on debt to finance vacation or travel costs. The last thing you need on returning home is more bills to pay!

Darrow Kirkpatrick is a software engineer and author who lived frugally, invested successfully, and retired in 2011at age 50. He writes regularly about saving, investing and retiring on his blog CanIRetireYet.com.

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一直心痒痒想买airstream但是最近有看一个YouTube博主买的caravel瓦斯泄漏宠物死了俩人进了急诊然后售后还很差修很久修不好 犹豫了 一家三口 lz还有哪些推荐的trailer车型吗？

另外lz觉得多大的娃出去rv旅行最好呢？学龄前的小娃会不会太早了？

chmod999 发表于 2021-01-23 23:46

孩子大小无所谓啊，我们在营地的时候遇到过各种年龄段的孩子。很多老外在孩子小的时候做FULL TIME RVer, 等孩子上学了就买个房子定居下来，还有专门给RV儿童的HOME SCHOOL教程的，我是没这个能耐HOME SCHOOL的，疫情期间在家我都快被他们搞崩溃了，全靠开学了回学校我才续上命。

我住长岛，为了去北极圈得开着RV过去，那来回要多少天？坐个飞机去那里租个车不香吗？比RV路程上花费的油费都便宜吧。附近找个cabin也找的到的吧。

说路上玩的，从纽约去加拿大边境的路一般纽约人都玩烂了，开RV也不是一个样。

睿 发表于 2021-01-23 23:06

其实准确的说，RV就是一种生活，不是一种旅行。旅行肯定要飞机+租车或者租RV。

那是小概率事件。开车会出车祸， 闪电会击中人， 游泳会淹死。

这个倒也是，我家要是买个新的，我老公要么直接否决要么叨叨叨叨好久好久。ONTOUR我去年秋天有次在营地遇到过一辆，他家就是疫情期间买的新车，好像要15万呢

Jadmom 发表于 2021-01-23 23:31

OnTour有两个版本，短版的20呎不到，能停进一般的parking位置，价格不到15万，但也许最近dealer涨了价？

是的，有时候订不到房间，临时调整一下行程也不方便。还有呢，比如大烟山每年六月那个萤火虫，刷个停车位简直跟中奖一样难，营地吧，只要愿意刷基本上能刷到，到点了搬个折叠椅走过去就好了，要是开车，还要提早，预测不准要赌多久才到停车场，真的很麻烦。

Jadmom 发表于 2021-01-23 23:03

你们家用的大车，有没有想过弄一个小车拖上，方便进城？

谢谢楼主分享经验，我们在等tesla出cyber truck，然后弄个可以拖的那种。

不能同意一定多花钱的说法。我转个几年前一个美国工程师写的十分仔细计算。更不用说在疫情下RV 又添加了卫生防疫的好处。

总而言之，一个B Class 有卫生，便宜，方便与灵活四大好处。

Is traveling by RV really cheaper than staying in hotels? （ excerpt)

Working or retired, who doesn’t dream of traveling more? When I early retired, we aspired to travel several months out of the year. So we bought a small RV. RVs are flexible and comfortable. You travel on your own schedule, overnighting any place that interests you. You sleep in your own bed and eat your own food. It’s like being at home while being on vacation.

I assumed that owning a small RV would save us money. And it does. But if you’re thinking about renting an RV this summer? Well, you might want to reconsider. Here’s why.

Let’s crunch the number on three modes of road-trip travel: (1) driving your own car and staying in hotels; (2) owning a small RV; or (3) renting a small RV. (I focus on small RVs here—those less than about 25 feet in length—because they are most cost effective. These modern small RVs are economical and comfortable for a couple or small family.)

For each option, we’ll compute the cost per mile of owning the vehicle. To this, we’ll add the cost of driving the vehicle, based on its fuel consumption and the current national average cost of gasoline, about $2.70 per gallon as this is written. That will give us an overall cost per mile of operating the vehicle.

Next, we’ll figure the daily expense for traveling, based on average hotel and camping ratesv. For food costs, we’ll compare the expense of dining out for hotel travel with preparing meals in an RV. I’ll use national averages when possible, plus my own experience and estimates.

What we’ll discover is that the essential trade-off of RV ownership is that it saves you on daily costs at the expense of mileage costs. An RV is more expensive to own and drive, but saves you each day on lodging and meals. Your personal breakeven point will depend on your lifestyle and travel plans. Let’s dig into the numbers.

Staying in Hotels

On a traditional driving vacation you use your own car, stay in hotels, and dine out. Assume a used vehicle purchased for $20,000 with 20,000 miles, an expected lifetime of 150,000 miles, a salvage value of $2,000, and annual maintenance costs of $900 over 15 years. That comes to a capital cost of $0.24/mile. Assuming 30 mpg gives fuel costs of $0.09/mile, for a total operating cost of $0.33/mile.

Using the national average hotel room rate of $121 per night and assuming that dining out costs $60 per day, we arrive at a daily cost of $181 for a traditional vacation. (These costs could be far higher in choice vacation spots.)

Owning Your Own Small RV

Next let’s look at the cost of owning a small RV. Assume a used rig purchased for $80,000 with 20,000 miles, an expected lifetime of 150,000 miles, a salvage value of $4,000, and annual maintenance costs of $1,700 over 15 years. That comes to a capital cost of $0.78/mile. Assuming 15 mpg gives fuel costs of $0.18/mile, for a total operating cost of $0.96/mile. 

Using an average campground rate of $25 per night and groceries of $30 per day for preparing meals in your RV, we arrive at a daily cost of $55 for vacationing in your own RV. 

Renting a Small RV

Finally, let’s consider renting a small RV. There is no ownership cost. The total operating cost is $0.18/mile based on fuel consumption. (This assumes you stay under the typical 100 miles per day average allowance for a rental RV, otherwise there would be an additional mileage charge.)

Based on my survey of RV rental prices at three regional dealers and one national chain, the average rental rate for a small RV is about $205 a day. Adding to that a campground rate of $25 per night, plus meal costs of $30 per day, we arrive at a daily cost of $260 for vacationing in a small rental RV. 

Bottom Line

Daily cost ($50) x total days  +  RV operating cost ($0.5/mi ) x  miles

Now that we have per-mile operating costs plus daily living costs for each mode of travel, we can calculate the total cost for two representative vacations: a 500-mile trip over 7 days, and a 2,000-mile trip over 21 days.

Owning a small RV is the clear winner for both trips, with costs of $865 and $3,077, respectively. The traditional vacation is next at $1,433 and $4,466. And the rented RV is most expensive, at $1,910 and $5,820.

Owning a small RV lets you travel for only 60%-70% of the traditional car-plus-hotel cost. That means half againas much vacation time, if you’re living on a fixed income in retirement! The exact savings will depend on the nature of your travel. Low-mileage, long-duration trips are the most cost effective in an RV. The breakeven point is about 200 miles a day. If you drive less than that on average, an RV beats the traditional car/hotel vacation.

So owning a small RV is the cheapest mode of extended travel. But try before you buy. This is when a RV rental can make sense. Once you’re certain RV living is for you, shop used RVs. We bought our 3-year old rig for about half price, and it has held its value well. Finally, never take on debt to finance vacation or travel costs. The last thing you need on returning home is more bills to pay!

Darrow Kirkpatrick is a software engineer and author who lived frugally, invested successfully, and retired in 2011at age 50. He writes regularly about saving, investing and retiring on his blog CanIRetireYet.com.

noshock 发表于 2021-01-23 23:52

我来认真算算。从我毛估估来看，我觉得买RV和住酒店比较，应该是RV略便宜，这个区别主要是产生在吃的上面，因为我们出行经常带着我爹妈，老人家吧，对吃的比较拧，我老爹要是想吃雪菜肉丝面了吧，没吃上他要不高兴好久的（他自从60岁开始进入男人更年期，至今没结束，倔到极点），自己做的饭菜我爹妈更能适应，所以在吃的方面是省钱了的，要不然吃一顿中餐，还要张罗着给娃买垃圾食品。

租和买，哪个便宜呢，不好说。因为租吧，有时候只要五六十一天，有时候是200一天，按照五六十算，肯定租便宜，按照200算，那就是买便宜。我一般都按照200算，这样心里容易满足

这个美国工程师太nerdy. 二手车还指望开150k每年才900维修费。肯定自己没有RV. 自己买了就知道要多花钱了

你们家用的大车，有没有想过弄一个小车拖上，方便进城？

mindstorm 发表于 2021-01-24 00:02

我们的RV是30还是31尺，再拖个车开车水平有限，怕开不好。现在我们是这样的，如果是靠近城市且呆的时间超过两天的，我们就在到的当天租个车，然后开租的车进城玩，结束了还掉。

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这个美国工程师太nerdy. 二手车还指望开150k每年才900维修费。肯定自己没有RV. 自己买了就知道要多花钱了

Exuberant 发表于 2021-01-24 00:07

美国的大车，平均而言是这样。当然早期修理少，车越老修理越多。那计算是依据他个人拥有RV 的经验，无可厚非。你为何随便就怀疑别人？在这个日常平静的讨论中，引入争议没有意义。

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