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报税气死我了!!求牛人科普!关键字back door IRA, cohn reznick

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Let's suppose that you're 30 years old, you don't have any traditional IRA accounts, you make a maximum contribution of $5,500 to a traditional IRA, you're covered by a retirement plan at work, and your MAGI exceeds the level for receiving a deduction for your contribution. After your nondeductible traditional IRA contribution has been credited to your account, you can immediately do a Roth IRA conversion. Since there are no earnings, 100% of your conversion will be nontaxable. This is referred to as a backdoor Roth IRA conversion.
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Don't forget about other traditional IRA accounts

Let's assume in our previous example that you have another traditional IRA account that was rolled over from a 401(k) plan with a value of $100,000. Would 100% of your backdoor Roth IRA conversion still be nontaxable?

The nontaxable amount of your Roth IRA conversion would be equal to your conversion of $5,500 multiplied by a fraction equal to your nondeductible contribution of $5,500 divided by the total value of all of your traditional IRA accounts of $105,500, or 5,500 x $5,500/$105,500, or $287. This results in a taxable amount of $5,213 ($5,500 - $287), or 95% of your conversion amount. Quite a different result compared with the situation where you had no other traditional IRA accounts.

The backdoor Roth IRA conversion is a great strategy for transferring a nondeductible tax-deferred IRA contribution into a tax-free situation provided that (a) you have no other traditional IRA funds, or (b) the value of your other IRA's is less than or equal to the basis in your IRA accounts.
yshe 发表于 4/15/2016 1:51:20 PM [url=http://forums.huaren.us/showtopic.aspx?topicid=2000515&postid=71418111#71418111][/url]
收藏。谢谢MM。~~~~~~~~~~~
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我都觉得我发这个贴是来黑cohn reznick的了!!有没有那个firm的mm???我好想爆那个白痴partner的名字啊!!!!
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问个问题,现在是还可以买去年的non-deductible traditional IRA 吧,没什么收入限制对马?
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w2 only报税还要这么多钱?

我每年义务一步步帮着朋友报税,一年得报六七个家庭的,连个请我吃饭的都没有过啊。。。
fucka 发表于 4/15/2016 2:45:13 PM [url=http://forums.huaren.us/showtopic.aspx?topicid=2000515&postid=71418964#71418964][/url]

...你的朋友心得多大啊。。这么多w2和ssn...
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use turbotax ah, no problem. You should review the return before signing. Show them the form instruction. It is pretty clear: Exception 2. If any of the following apply,
enter the total distribution on line 15a and see Form 8606 and its instructions to figure the amount to enter on line 15b. Form 8606 is very easy to follow for this case. Bigger firm might not be a good choice for personal income tax.
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lzmm都说了好几次太复杂没法用turbo tax 只能用cpa 每个人呢都说 用turbo啊 用turbo啊。。。
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问个问题,现在是还可以买去年的non-deductible traditional IRA 吧,没什么收入限制对马?
blsunday 发表于 4/15/2016 3:15:43 PM [url=http://forums.huaren.us/showtopic.aspx?topicid=2000515&postid=71419442#71419442][/url]
it takes time to move money around. Some brokerage will ask to confirm the bank info. etc. You might be able to get it going to a local brokerage office. No income limit for this.
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I guess LZ has a lot of investments; K-1s etc. lol
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use turbotax ah, no problem. You should review the return before signing. Show them the form instruction. It is pretty clear: Exception 2. If any of the following apply,
enter the total distribution on line 15a and see Form 8606 and its instructions to figure the amount to enter on line 15b. Form 8606 is very easy to follow for this case. Bigger firm might not be a good choice for personal income tax.
peeeepy 发表于 4/15/2016 3:23:25 PM [url=http://forums.huaren.us/showtopic.aspx?topicid=2000515&postid=71419557#71419557][/url]
这位mm一看就是有美丽又聪明!!!!!
但现在他们就一口咬定1099r box 2a must flow to line 15b!!! you cannot reason with stupid ppl!
我也想自己报。但是我们家情况太复杂了,涉及好几个洲一堆杂七杂八的form,turbotax上应该没有,所以非得请人报。
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...你的朋友心得多大啊。。这么多w2和ssn...

瑜伽小妹 发表于 4/15/2016 3:17:03 PM [url=http://forums.huaren.us/showtopic.aspx?topicid=2000515&postid=71419456#71419456][/url]
那些数字我看完就忘了,我又不会主动记下来做坏事。。。这么多年了
朋友心大不大看关系吧,我读书一年的学费还是朋友借给我的,几万美元我要打借条,她都没要,中间我说找工作面试想买个二手车,她还说缺钱找她借,我毕业了第一年工作就带利息还了
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16-04-15 15:35操作
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请问有没有MM知道,能不能专门开一个traditional IRA account就是为了backdoor Roth IRA的。就是说已经有一个traditional IRA里面有钱,但是好像网上说backdoor Roth的话,好像somehow有些复杂,可能原来账户里以后老了取出来时交税时计算有些麻烦什么的。所以想能不能开一个traditional IRA作为backdoor Roth IRA专用的?
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换一家吧。。。
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请问有没有MM知道,能不能专门开一个traditional IRA account就是为了backdoor Roth IRA的。就是说已经有一个traditional IRA里面有钱,但是好像网上说backdoor Roth的话,好像somehow有些复杂,可能原来账户里以后老了取出来时交税时计算有些麻烦什么的。所以想能不能开一个traditional IRA作为backdoor Roth IRA专用的?
trapent2 发表于 4/15/2016 3:35:25 PM [url=http://forums.huaren.us/showtopic.aspx?topicid=2000515&postid=71419709#71419709][/url]
你这个开也白开。因为那个计算是按照你名下所有traditional ira accounts合起来算的。
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16-04-15 15:43操作
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mark,学习
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这位mm一看就是有美丽又聪明!!!!!
但现在他们就一口咬定1099r box 2a must flow to line 15b!!! you cannot reason with stupid ppl!
我也想自己报。但是我们家情况太复杂了,涉及好几个洲一堆杂七杂八的form,turbotax上应该没有,所以非得请人报。

hehe, is your 1099r line 2b checked? if so, that means the payer cannot decide the taxability of the distribution even though there is an amount in line 2a (line 2a should be blank when line 2b was checked except for IRAs). There are many stupid pp out there in the firm, lol. and they don't want to admit they made a mistake and always point fingers... typical environment in the firm, hehe
天子呼来不上床 发表于 4/15/2016 3:30:37 PM
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peeeepy 发表于 4/15/2016 3:46:08 PM [url=http://forums.huaren.us/showtopic.aspx?topicid=2000515&postid=71419873#71419873][/url]
2b check啦,所以我跟他们说,你看看他们怎么回:
There is still an amount on the taxable line, on your tax transcript this form will show up as income. The fact that the box is checked off does not mean the IRS will not question it. It means there potential to taxable items in the amount. And an amount on the taxable line form.”


你说我气不气气不气?气死了!!!
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16-04-15 15:54操作
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回复 [url=http://forums.huaren.us/showtopic.aspx?topicid=2000515&postid=71416746#71416746]1楼天子呼来不上床的帖子[/url] mark..................
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16-04-15 16:07操作
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刚在网上搜出一个文章,conversion from traditional IRA to Roth IRA is subject to pro rata rule. 如果你的traditional IRA 是混合的deductible and non deductible, convert 的时候, 针对deductible portion还是要交税,尽管你convert的lump sum里有non deductible portion. 你其实可以和partner达成协议,按你的方法报,将来收到IRS notice 你自己负责回复和一切后果。代表客户回复IRS挺麻烦的,所以很多CPA想保守一些,防止日后麻烦。你在service contract 加上这些,估计他们会同意按你的方法报。不然就换个听话的CPA, 其实大firm有时也店大欺人,宁愿你多交点税,也怕自己麻烦,不太会为小利益fight for client
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我只能等cpa有空了以后再跟他们吵啊。
反正去年前年的肯定要amend,希望他们承认错误,今年开始不要再错了。如果他们死不承认错误,我只好以后不做 conversion了。

天子呼来不上床 发表于 4/15/2016 3:02:44 PM [url=http://forums.huaren.us/showtopic.aspx?topicid=2000515&postid=71419266#71419266][/url]


不用吵了,自己file 1040X 就行了。
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不用吵了,自己file 1040X 就行了。
qianqianmom 发表于 4/15/2016 4:12:50 PM [url=http://forums.huaren.us/showtopic.aspx?topicid=2000515&postid=71420216#71420216][/url]
我fed number affects all my state returns and other forms.
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