在职读还是不错的，公司出了学费

itmm 发表于 2025-01-18 10:13

学校日子也不好过，几大创收项目（基本都是某某硕士）已变凉或在变凉：MBA，水硕项目，以前还有个金融工程（FE）很热门好像热度早已过了

还有不少州大前10来年靠乌央的中国小刘本科生交学费赚钱，现在小留来的越来越少这可咋办

Ai竞争的大趋势就是学校会越来越没有竞争力，除非一律Ai教学，减少大量的无效教学，减少学费，因为现在Ai教学不受限制于课堂中

本科有个硬核的degree，比较受欢迎。

所以，将来的美国进类似蓝翔技工学校才是出路。

修车，电工，水暖工，厨师等职业还可以生存一段时间，等机器人上岗了也是麻烦。

MajiaLove 发表于 2025-01-18 11:04

MBA里教的东西还是值得学一下的，不过完全不需要为了这个学习浪费那么多钱和低效的两年时间。真有动力，自己周末加晚上专心学习，也就一到两个月的业余时间就够了。重要的其实是学习之前实打实积累起来的很多工作中的经验和困惑，这些才是结合学习的时候带来实际认知和将来执行时突破的原材料

的确是不需要 全日制的去学。

huaren2018 发表于 2025-01-18 08:52

MBA 一度是心怀大志的老留们转换赛道的一条重要途径，

比如从工程 stem 转金融，business，或管理，

现在发现此路也可能不通或曲折颠簸，不是家中有米的不如继续当个工程师马工螺丝钉混着。

最 top 的 MBA 难找工作，那些次知名或不知名的 MBA program 去读前更要三思了

早期高科技公司没起来的时候，金融属于赚钱多的行业，读MBA回报还算不错。现在高科技起来了，金融没很大的优势，相反wlb比高科技公司差。MBA学费只会越来越贵，现在来看性价比就很低了

还是有些用的。我们公司一个华女本科一个三流州大的会计，后来去斯坦福读了一个mba, 现在已经是我们公司中国区的总裁了。

xiaohaot1 发表于 2025-01-18 09:17

MBA难找工作，那金融的本科学位是不是更难找工作呢？

完全不同的赛道

mba 很多都是换赛道用的

本科金融一直是走自己的赛道

Geofan 发表于 2025-01-18 13:53

Ai竞争的大趋势就是学校会越来越没有竞争力，除非一律Ai教学，减少大量的无效教学，减少学费，因为现在Ai教学不受限制于课堂中

covid已经证明了教育很大一部分价值来自于 人和人面对面的交流

online education 也几十年了

ai 目前也没做什么 online education 不能做的事情

somuch 发表于 2025-01-18 14:13

所以，将来的美国进类似蓝翔技工学校才是出路。

修车，电工，水暖工，厨师等职业还可以生存一段时间，等机器人上岗了也是麻烦。

修车难道不是直接电脑AI诊断，直接机器人上手修理？

电工 厨师，水暖也一样，随便一个AI比人做的好吧。那咖啡AI， 据说做的咖啡极漂亮

Geofan 发表于 2025-01-18 10:07
MBA今年彻底凉了，这种靠画饼的专业已经彻底被人工智能击败了，大部分人找的工作还不如读书之前的高，今年很多人选择不就业了，因为花了小20万，工资不升反降，精英们决定自己创业

MBA是企业不可缺少的东西。但企业的竞争力，从来不在管理层面，而在于核心技术跟生产。

MAB出来的CEO, 感觉只做几件事：裁员，外包，降福利，逼供应商降价，推高企业的股份。核心创新，优化，工艺？CEO表示 不懂，也不想懂，也不想搞，都得花钱。。。。

西北的MBA都找不到工作了？怪不得他们到处拉人去读MBA

nicecool 发表于 2025-01-18 15:16

还是有些用的。我们公司一个华女本科一个三流州大的会计，后来去斯坦福读了一个mba, 现在已经是我们公司中国区的总裁了。

你这个例子逻辑不成立。三流州大会计你能进斯坦福就说明能力不一般或者敢拼敢干。不过现在mba确实不好使是真的，因为咨询公司全面拉垮，华尔街需求下降，运营供应链这些MBA干不过专业的。

huaren2018 发表于 2025-01-18 08:42

The once-guaranteed prestige of earning an MBA from elite institutions like Harvard, Stanford, or Wharton is no longer a surefire ticket to high-paying jobs.

With an increasingly volatile job market, even the most coveted degrees are facing challenges.

Reports suggest that many recent graduates from these top-tier programs are struggling to secure employment, painting a stark picture of the current economic landscape.

Declining job placement rates among top MBAs

According to a Wall Street Journal report, 23 per cent of Harvard Business School (HBS) MBA graduates from 2024 were still job hunting three months after graduation. This is a sharp increase from 20 per cent in 2023 and 10 per cent in 2022.

Harvard’s Kristen Fitzpatrick, who oversees career development, told WSJ, “We’re not immune to the difficulties of the job market. Going to Harvard is not going to be a differentiator. You have to have the skills.”

This trend extends beyond Harvard, with other elite institutions like Stanford, Wharton, and NYU Stern also witnessing some of the weakest job placement figures in years.

For instance, Northwestern University’s Kellogg School of Management reported that 13 per cent of its 2024 MBA graduates were unemployed three months post-graduation, a significant increase from previous years.

What’s behind the job market slowdown

The tightening job market can be attributed to several factors. Post-pandemic, companies have aggressively pursued efficiency, rethinking organisational structures, and highlighting leaner teams. This has created a preference for candidates with specialised technical skills over generalist MBA graduates.

Additionally, sectors traditionally dominated by MBAs, such as tech and consulting, have significantly reduced hiring. Companies like Amazon, Microsoft, and Google have scaled back recruitment, while consulting giants such as McKinsey have slashed their MBA hires.

McKinsey, for example, hired only 33 MBAs from the University of Chicago’s Booth School in 2024, down from 71 the year prior. “Companies tell us, ‘We’re not coming to campus anymore,’” Jenny Zenner, a senior director at UVA Darden’s career center, told WSJ.

The rise of artificial intelligence and automation has further complicated the landscape, leading to layoffs and job eliminations across industries. Employers are increasingly valuing alternative education pathways, such as coding bootcamps and specialised certifications, which often align better with modern workforce demands.

The struggles of graduates

The challenging job market has left many MBA graduates frustrated. For instance, Ronil Diyora, a University of Virginia Darden School graduate, shared that he applied for over 1,000 jobs while attending networking events in San Francisco. “Ask me in two years,” he told WSJ when questioned about whether his MBA was worth the investment.

Others, like Yvette Anguiano, faced delays in starting their careers. Anguiano, who secured a consulting role at EY-Parthenon, had her start date pushed to mid-2025. “I was pretty devastated,” she told WSJ, as she struggled to manage mounting student loans while seeking temporary work.

How institutions are responding

To address these challenges, some business schools are introducing innovative solutions. Harvard, for example, is testing an artificial intelligence (AI) tool that matches job seekers with potential roles and recommends courses to bridge skill gaps. This AI-driven approach aims to help students adapt to the evolving demands of the job market.

Despite the hurdles, MBA graduates still command high earning potential. Median starting salaries often exceed $175,000, and some schools, like Columbia Business School, have reported improved employment rates by fall 2024 compared to previous years.

Graduates are increasingly lowering their expectations and exploring non-traditional career paths. As one unnamed HBS student told Forbes, “Most of my friends who tempered their expectations were able to land great positions. HBS students tend to come from wealthier families and backgrounds that can stomach a few months of unemployment.”

For aspiring leaders, the message is clear: success in today’s job market requires a blend of technical skills, emotional intelligence, and resilience. As companies prioritise lean operations and specialised expertise, the traditional MBA journey must evolve to align with these new realities.

二十年前常见的career path就是小本工业界工作几年，然后读个MBA镀镀金，跑去去咨询或者转管理祸害公司，这些MBA也是现在很多传统公司的管理层中坚力量。但这二十年来，新技术的几家当红炸子鸡几乎都是技术出身，没有MBA学历，公司股价却节节高。很多传统公司却江湖日下。MBA找不到工作是好事，美国的工业其实就是败在这些人手上，不懂也不愿意投钱在R&D上，只知道务虚。

Intel原来三驾马车以摩尔为首都是技术出身，后来接任Andy Grove的CEO就是MBA出身，人品很好，业务一堆假大空操作，自此。。。

业界可能现在也有共识了吧，专业的事情请专业的人做。我觉得MBA还是有市场的毕竟training两年，一般企业管理水平还是有的。

majia_id 发表于 2025-01-18 23:46

二十年前常见的career path就是小本工业界工作几年，然后读个MBA镀镀金，跑去去咨询或者转管理祸害公司，这些MBA也是现在很多传统公司的管理层中坚力量。但这二十年来，新技术的几家当红炸子鸡几乎都是技术出身，没有MBA学历，公司股价却节节高。很多传统公司却江湖日下。MBA找不到工作是好事，美国的工业其实就是败在这些人手上，不懂也不愿意投钱在R&D上，只知道务虚。

关键是MBA里的商业经营管理的common sense、logic和总结的wisdom虽然是必不可少的知识点，但对于技术出身的创始人来说自学一下太快了也就一个月不到的业余时间就够了。反倒是创业过程中的经验教训的积累，才是让那些商业教程里纸上谈兵的总结能真实落地到执行者血液里和思想上内化后艺术折衷的宝贵和稀缺性资源。所以说MBA的学历本身含金量太低了。

就像心理学知识其实对领导者也很必要，但其实知道一些心理学理论很简单。真正做到炉火纯青地运用并养成习惯，使得解决自己的问题团队的问题合作伙伴的问题可以举重若轻，最重要的是执行者长期在实战中的实践反思和迭代，而不是拿个心理学学位或是通过一个考试

雇MBA最怕的还不是candidate因为获得MBA学位被系统training带来的一些不可避免的僵化思维习惯，而是某些candidate认识不到自己在书本上学到的仅仅是固化的环境变量不全面也不在随时间变化的典型案例，然后自己又缺少足够critical thinking skills能够临场随机应变快速迭代，那就完全是赵括那样的纸上谈兵的悲剧了