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1979年的时候国内有把死刑犯游街的事情么?

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1979年的时候国内有把死刑犯游街的事情么?
不好意思啊,大过年问这个问题。原因是wsj介绍了一本书,作者是一个36岁中国mm,讲的是中国的political killings.
访问原文如下,摘自wall street journal:

Executioner Songs
-A debut novelist on her new book about political killings in China


Yiyun Li moved from Beijing to Iowa when she was 23 to pursue a Ph.D. in immunology. Her boyfriend remained in China, and she enrolled in a community writing course to pass the time and improve her English. Her stories soon appeared in the Paris Review and the New Yorker, and her 2005 short-story collection "A Thousand Years of Good Prayers" won the Guardian First Book Award. Her debut novel, "The Vagrants," which comes out on Tuesday, concerns a cast of outsiders in a newly industrialized Chinese city. The characters range from a disabled girl to a beautiful news announcer working for the Communist party. None of Muddy River's citizens are spared profound pain and suffering, which makes for a harrowing read. Ms. Li, now 36 and reunited with her college boyfriend (now husband), spoke with us from her house in Oakland, Calif.
WSJ: Why did you choose to set the book in 1979?

Ms. Li: It was a historical year for China. It was 2? years after the end of the Cultural Revolution and the year of the Democracy Wall movement in Beijing. All of a sudden there was the idea of opening the country to the rest of the world. And, selfishly, I was 6 and 7 in 1979 and I had a lot of memories of that change.

The novel is bookended by political executions. Did you witness counterrevolutionaries being executed?
Ms. Li:They were not executed in front of me but before the execution, they would parade people around from one neighborhood to the next. They would have a gathering and they would have a short ceremony and the police would announce their crimes. I went a couple times when I was 5 and 6.
Did these ceremonies trouble you?

Ms. Li:I don't think when you're young you're troubled by those things. You're just curious. You're in daycare and then all of a sudden the routine is interrupted and you take a field trip. It was a ritual and all the neighborhood people were there. Our gathering site was very near the building where my family lived. They'd set up a makeshift stage and parade the people up there. I remembered all the policemen had starched white uniforms.

You were made to spend a year in the Chinese re-education army before college. Tell me about that.

Ms. Li:I was in it from 18 to 19. I went to Peking University, which was really active in the Tiananmen protests, so the university ordered something they called "the changing of blood." That meant that for four years, the incoming class was sent to the army. After four years, the blood of the whole college was cleaned.

Were you against going?

Ms. Li:I was very much against it. I was very bad. I talked about the people who were killed in Tiananmen Square a lot. A lot of my fellow students did not believe that happened and I could not shut up about those things. But I also had a very memorable time. I learned more than any other year about human behavior.

For example?

Ms. Li:We had this squad leader who was also just a student among us. Once she was appointed squad leader she had all this power over other people and she was only 17. . . . She knew I could write and every week every squad had to submit a propaganda-ish article, and she made me write it every time. I said, "That's not fair," and she said, "If you don't write it, I'm going to assign you to clean the pig sty." I wish I'd acted rebellious and cleaned the pig sty, but I did not want to clean the pigsty, so I would write for her. I didn't pursue my idealism because I did not want to clean the pigsty. We all compromised.

Why did you decide to set "The Vagrants" in a fictional town?

Ms. Li:Muddy River is modeled after my husband's own town which is in the Northeast, on the border of China and North Korea, 16 or 17 hours from Beijing. I did not want to write about Beijing because it was the center of the action. I wanted to go into a provincial town and see how people changed or did not change.

Have any of your friends or family back in China told you they found the book offensive?

Not yet. It will happen, I am sure.

 
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我比她小,所以79年的事情肯定不记得。有知道的说说吧。

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有的, 我小时候, 看过死刑犯游街, 胸前挂着大牌子, 上面有红笔划的大大的X。 游完街, 就直接拉到郊外的刑场吃枪子儿了。
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Was there any political killing in 1979? I would believe it if it was during the culture revolution, but in 1979 I don't think so.


 


I do remember those posters printed in bold black letters hanging aound to announce the verdicts to the crimials tho. Becuase it usually came with photos that's why i was so impressed.

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确实曾经有,我80年代初还见过。。。。。。不过,又如何?


 


人家国家还不能曾经落后,现在进步啦?


 


再说了,土人俺咋觉得死刑犯游街相当有震慑作用呢[em96][em89]。。。。。。


 


 

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虽然我没有看过, 但是如果有不会惊讶。 这个是自古以来的传统。 文革的时候这种事还是满多的, 1979年was only a couple years after the Cultural Revolution was over. And also I remember even in early 80s there was something called "yan2da3" when many were prosecuted due to minor crimes and remembered people were telling me about this type of 公审大会。

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这是肯定的,我当时好几个亲戚都还在公安局工作。早前严打的时候很容易判死刑,我知道的一个工厂里的团支书,平时绝对是个好青年,因为酒后和几个哥们羞辱了一个女同事,就给枪毙了。
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我小时候见过严打抓出来的罪犯,广场示众批判的,当时觉得很过瘾。
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83年严打期间还有呢。。


我小姑姑的初中同学,因为开了一个饭馆,挂了几张香港的三点照片,就给定流氓罪了。


赶上严打,就死刑了,还游街了。。。我奶奶和我姑姑现在还经常提起这件事呢,说那男孩长得帅人还聪明。。

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以下是引用美人草在2009-1-30 10:12:00的发言:

确实曾经有,我80年代初还见过。。。。。。不过,又如何?

 

人家国家还不能曾经落后,现在进步啦?

 

再说了,土人俺咋觉得死刑犯游街相当有震慑作用呢图片点击可在新窗口打开查看图片点击可在新窗口打开查看。。。。。。

 

 

当时确实对我幼小的心灵有震慑作用。。。
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以下是引用SHLVR在2009-1-30 10:16:00的发言:

虽然我没有看过, 但是如果有不会惊讶。 这个是自古以来的传统。 文革的时候这种事还是满多的, 1979年was only a couple years after the Cultural Revolution was over. And also I remember even in early 80s there was something called "yan2da3" when many were prosecuted due to minor crimes and remembered people were telling me about this type of 公审大会。


That's not exactly the point. The point is she's talking about political killings in 1979 here. I heard Yan Da also, even tho I also agree that it was way to harsh but it's not politial killings.

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以下是引用xindereila在2009-1-30 10:17:00的发言:

83年严打期间还有呢。。


我小姑姑的初中同学,因为开了一个饭馆,挂了几张香港的三点照片,就给定流氓罪了。


赶上严打,就死刑了,还游街了。。。我奶奶和我姑姑现在还经常提起这件事呢,说那男孩长得帅人还聪明。。


如果真的只犯了这么点,真的冤。。。不过么, 我偏向于不只犯这么点

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以下是引用ybzh在2009-1-30 10:18:00的发言:

当时确实对我幼小的心灵有震慑作用。。。

 


对呀,俺也是。。。。。自此绝不敢干作奸犯科的事儿。。。。。。


 


 

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以下是引用daka在2009-1-30 10:18:00的发言:

That's not exactly the point. The point is she's talking about political killings in 1979 here. I heard Yan Da also, even tho I also agree that it was way to harsh but it's not politial killings.


Ok. I get your point. Wasn't there a term called "反革命犯" before? When was it abandoned? I believe it was definitely after 1979.

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真得这样嘛。。。[em58]

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以下是引用米虫在2009-1-30 10:20:00的发言:

如果真的只犯了这么点,真的冤。。。不过么, 我偏向于不只犯这么点


Read a thread somewhere earlier says that the mayer's son of shanghai was also executed during yan da because of 流氓罪. There was rumers that the once famous actress Gong xue had also got involved.

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以下是引用米虫在2009-1-30 10:20:00的发言:

如果真的只犯了这么点,真的冤。。。不过么, 我偏向于不只犯这么点


我们家人也分析,可能不只是因为这个,听说他爸爸以前做官的时候得罪过什么什么人,,但是这个人判刑的确是因为这个。。


不然也不会被那么多同学朋友讨论了那么多年,觉得很冤。

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以下是引用daka在2009-1-30 10:26:00的发言:

Read a thread somewhere earlier says that the mayer's son of shanghai was also executed during yan da because of 流氓罪. There was rumers that the once famous actress Gong xue had also got involved.


小时候,我看过橱窗里面的宣告,我看那些流氓罪被枪毙的,都是什么轮_, 屡犯什么的。。。。


 

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以下是引用xindereila在2009-1-30 10:17:00的发言:

83年严打期间还有呢。。


我小姑姑的初中同学,因为开了一个饭馆,挂了几张香港的三点照片,就给定流氓罪了。


赶上严打,就死刑了,还游街了。。。我奶奶和我姑姑现在还经常提起这件事呢,说那男孩长得帅人还聪明。。


poor guy

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以下是引用SHLVR在2009-1-30 10:24:00的发言:

Ok. I get your point. Wasn't there a term called "反革命犯" before? When was it abandoned? I believe it was definitely after 1979.


how could I know?

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