最近在看柏拉图，被这句话点醒，希望还能抓住最后的尾巴继续疯狂。

CH07. 柏拉圖的《理想國》 / 苑舉正老師 - YouTube

这个台大的老师讲得特别好，推荐

well...他说的爱不一定是指的性爱

Yes and yes

到哪里能找到爱？

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Russell says:

What is the difference between "knowledge" and "opinion"?

The man who has knowledge has knowledge of something,

that is to say,

of something that is exists,

for what does not exists is nothing.

(This is reminiscent of Parmenides . 我搜索 關於 Parmenides 有關此topic的資料：https://hume.ucdavis.edu/phi143/epiphys.htm )

Thus knowledge is infallible,

since it is logically impossible for it to be mistaken.

But opinion can be mistaken.

How can this be?

Opinion cannot be of what is not, for that is impossible;

non of what is, for that it would be knowledge.

Therefore opinion must be of what both is and is not.

But how is this possible?

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談過戀愛的第一個問題是“Am I in love?”

可能我 Asperger 思維 的關係, 對哲學對愛的定義缺乏能力去理解

所以 對不上號入座

我有點兒像 本沒倒置

我第一個 （關心的）問題是“對方是不是在愛我？”

而不是 「我是否墮入愛河？」

很有可能我誤解了 苑舉正老師的意思

繼續做我的筆記：

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Diotima

• May I ask you further, Whether love is the love of something or of nothing?
• Yet let me ask you one more question in order to illustrate my meaning: Is not a brother to be regarded essentially as a brother of something?
• And now, said Socrates, I will ask about Love: -------- Is Love of something or of nothing?
• Of something, surely, he replied.
• Keep in mind what this is, and tell me what I want to know -------- whether Love desires that of which love is.
• And does he possess, or does he not possess, that which he loves and desires?
• Probably not, I should say.
• Very good. Would he who is great, desire to be great, or he who is strong, desires to be strong?
• No.

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True

我一阵阵就会向谈恋爱，只求真诚。

繼續做我的筆記：

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• True. For he who is anything cannot want to be that which he is?
• Very true.
• Then, said Socrates, he desires that what he has at present may be preserved to him in the future, which is equivalent to saying that he desires something which is not-existent to him, and which as yet he has not got:
• Very true, he said.
• Then he and everyone who desires, desires that which he has not already, and which is future and not present, and which he has not, and is not, and of which he is in want; ----- these are the sort of things which love and desire seek
• Very true, he said.

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繼續做我的筆記:

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• Then now, said Socrates, let us recapitulate the argument. First, is not love of something, and of something too which is wanting to a man?
• Yes, he replied.
• And if this is true, Love is the love of beauty and not of deformity?
• He assented.
• And the admission has been already made that Love is of something which a man wants and has not?
• True, he said.
• Then Love wants and has not beauty?
• Certainly, he replied.
• And would you call that beautiful which wants and does not possess beauty?
• Certainly not.

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繼續做我的筆記:

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• Then would you still say that love is beautiful?
• Is not the good also the beautiful?
• Yes.
• Then in wanting the beautiful, love want also the good?
• I cannot refute you, Socrates
• And now, taking my leave of you, I would rehearse a tale of love which I heard from Diotima of Mantineia.
• I must speak first of the being and nature of Love, and then of his works.
• 1. First I said to her in nearly the same words which he used to me, that Love was a mighty god,
• 2. Love was neither fair nor good.
• "What do you mean, Diotima," I said, "is love then evil and foul?"

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爱的感觉年纪越大越难，我自己是这样，因为年纪大了喜欢的东西更抽象。年轻的时候喜欢一个异性身上的特点更具体更可以量化，现在异性的为人如何更让我关注，年轻的时候喜欢气场强大光芒万丈的异性。。。现在喜欢内敛低调温暖人心的人。

繼續做我的筆記:

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• Hush," she cried; "must that be foul which is not fair?"
• "Certainly," I said. "And is that which is not wise, ignorant?"
• Do you not see that there is a mean between wisdom and ignorance?"
• "And what may that be?" I said.
• "Right opinion," she replied; "which, as you know, being incapable of giving a reason, is not knowledge (for how can knowledge be devoid of reason? nor again, ignorance, for neither can ignorance attain the truth), but is clearly something which is a mean between ignorance and wisdom."
• "Quite true," I replied.
• "Do not then insist," she said, "that what is not fair is of necessity foul, or what is not good evil; or infer that because love is not fair and good he is therefore foul and evil; for he is in a mean between them."
• "well," I said, "Love is surely admitted by all to be a great god." "By those who know or by those who do not know?"

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這樣的 描述，

我可以把我先生 所說的 「他和他前妻的第一段婚姻裏，they have many happy years together.」

對號入座

來理解了

因為 他們年輕時候喜歡的 和需要的 what is good for him 與 人在中年的時候

兩者有差異

我先生拿 買賣股票 的策略 給我解明

十幾年前 投資某長線股 盈利了十年

後來越來越虧 而且 getting bad for him to keep it.

It is estimated not become better, might become worse.

是到了要清倉展覽的時間

趁還能換出錢來 投資 另一個

當機 市面上也有 更 盈利的 長線股

巧合 我在 「騎牛遇馬」而且這馬可被我「騎」

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這樣的 描述，

我可以把我先生 所說的 「他和他前妻的第一段婚姻裏，they have many happy years together.」

對號入座

來理解了

因為 他們年輕時候喜歡的 和需要的 what is good for him 與 人在中年的時候

兩者有差異

我先生拿 買賣股票 的策略 給我解明

十幾年前 投資某長線股 盈利了十年

後來越來越虧 而且 getting bad for him to keep it.

It is estimated not become better, might become worse.

是到了要清倉展覽的時間

趁還能換出錢來 投資 另一個

當機 市面上也有 更 盈利的 長線股

巧合 我在 「騎牛遇馬」而且這馬可被我「騎」

MeekSarah 发表于 2022-01-28 19:54

版主真是辛苦了，好学生啊

做筆記 以備 重溫 反思 之用

自己抄寫一次 也會把內容進入我的腦多些

繼續做我的筆記:

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• "By all." "And how, Socrates," she said with a smile, "can Love be acknowledged to be a great god by those who say that he is not a god at all?"
• "And who are they?" I said. "You and I are two of them," she replied.
• "How can that be?" I said.
• "It is quite intelligible," she replied; "for you yourself would acknowledge that the gods are happy and fair --- of course you would --- would you dare to say that any god was not? "
• "Certainly not," I replied.
• "And you mean by the happy, those who are the possessors of things good or fair?"
• "Yes." "And you admitted that Love, because he was in want, desires those good and fair things of which he is in want?"
• "Yes, I did."

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繼續做我的筆記:

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• "But how can he (Love) be a god who has no portion in what is either good or fair?" "Impossible." "Then you see that you also deny the divinity of Love."
• "What then is Love?" I asked; "Is he mortal?"
• "No." "What then?" "As in the former instance, he is neither mortal or immortal, but in the mean between the two." "What is he, Diotima?"
• "He is a great spirit (daimom) , and like all spirits he is intermediate between the divine and the mortal."
• "And what," I said, "is his power?"

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繼續做我的筆記:

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• "He interprets," she replied, "between god and men, conveying and taking across to the gods the prayers and sacrifices of men, and to men the commands and replies of gods; he is the mediator who spans the chasm which divides them, and therefore in him all is bound together, and through him the arts of the prophet and the priest, their sacrifices and mysteries and charms, and all prophecy and incantation, find their way."

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繼續做我的筆記:

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• "For God mingles not with man; but through Love all the intercourse and converse of God with man, whether awake or asleep, is carried on.
• The wisdom which understands this is spiritual all other wisdom, such as that of arts and handicrafts, is mean and vulgar. Now these spirits or intermediate powers are many and diverse, and one of them is Love."

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