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以下是引用ranran_sweety在2008-11-5 1:37:00的发言:

haha.  MM, "gay" people do include lesbians too, so not all of them are doing the way you imagin.  In addition, lots of heterosexual people choose to have AS too, would you respect them?  Maybe it is better if you start preparing for different questions that our kids would ask us rather than worry about other people's business. 


你要这么说的话,那还选什么选?大家都关起门来教育自家孩子好了

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以下是引用ranran_sweety在2008-11-5 1:37:00的发言:

haha.  MM, "gay" people do include lesbians too, so not all of them are doing the way you imagin.  In addition, lots of heterosexual people choose to have AS too, would you respect them?  Maybe it is better if you start preparing for different questions that our kids would ask us rather than worry about other people's business. 


It is so sharp! Well said!
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以下是引用vivien0612在2008-11-5 1:44:00的发言:

你要这么说的话,那还选什么选?大家都关起门来教育自家孩子好了


MM,not allow them getting married does not mean "gay" people won't exist anymore.  They are still gay and our kids will still see them around.  You presented it like once it passes, all the "gay" people would become straight...

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这个最后通过了么?


是yes还是no,都是人民的呼声阿。


父母有选择如何教育子女的自由,通过了,觉得加州歧视部分公民对孩子影响不好的,可以搬到麻省。美通过,害怕公立学校被这个风气污染,可以选择符合父母教育思想的私校,或者搬到保守一点的州去。


大家不要伤了和气,都没有投票权,支持啥也没用阿。赶快赚钱,让自己能有最多的选择是现实的。

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以下是引用vivien0612在2008-11-5 1:42:00的发言:

很多人在这说respect,好像很respect同性恋似的,但是性是婚姻很重要的一部分,也是同性恋最不能被人们接受的原因,为什么一说到同性恋和异性恋最本质的不同,很多人又一副不能接受的样子,难道respect还是有条件的?孩子是天真无邪的,什么都会想要知道,他们又不会自动屏蔽有关性的问题,有一天他们去问老师,或者来问父母,作为父母,怎么去解释?怎么去教育?我请问你们,卖淫嫖娼和乱伦,是个人的自由么?应该被尊重么?


关键的问题就是很多人不认为卖淫嫖娼和乱伦与同性恋是一个category,like me
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以下是引用dust07在2008-11-5 1:52:00的发言:


关键的问题就是很多人不认为卖淫嫖娼和乱伦与同性恋是一个category,like me

me too...


 

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以下是引用ranran_sweety在2008-11-5 1:47:00的发言:

MM,not allow them getting married does not mean "gay" people won't exist anymore.  They are still gay and our kids will still see them around.  You presented it like once it passes, all the "gay" people would become straight...


我关心的不是他们的性向选择,我也没说同性恋不能存在,我相信同性恋之间确实有爱情。我只关心对孩子的教育,合法化会大大的confuse小孩子。还是那句话,要说自由,要说尊重,卖淫嫖娼,乱伦等等有啥错?为啥不跟着合法化?合法,不合法,都不能改变事情本身存在的事实。但是怎么教育小孩子?

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以下是引用vivien0612在2008-11-5 1:42:00的发言:

很 多人在这说respect,好像很respect同性恋似的,但是性是婚姻很重要的一部分,也是同性恋最不能被人们接受的原因,为什么一说到同性恋和异性 恋最本质的不同,很多人又一副不能接受的样子,难道respect还是有条件的?孩子是天真无邪的,什么都会想要知道,他们又不会自动屏蔽有关性的问题, 有一天他们去问老师,或者来问父母,作为父母,怎么去解释?怎么去教育?我请问你们,卖淫嫖娼和乱伦,是个人的自由么?应该被尊重么?



卖淫嫖娼和乱伦和同性恋有本质区别的.我希望你尊重每一个人, 不管他是GAY还是罪犯.我不喜欢的只是你的说话方式特别是你提到你没办法尊重GAY因为他们用AS.


为什么一说到同性恋和异性 恋最本质的不同,很多人又一副不能接受的样子,我觉得是MM心底里面瞧不起GAY,所以不能接受. 他们也和你一样是人唯一不一样的是性趋向.MM宽容点吧.想想怎么教育你的小孩先.

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以下是引用vivien0612在2008-11-5 1:42:00的发言:

很多人在这说respect,好像很respect同性恋似的,但是性是婚姻很重要的一部分,也是同性恋最不能被人们接受的原因,为什么一说到同性恋和异性恋最本质的不同,很多人又一副不能接受的样子,难道respect还是有条件的?孩子是天真无邪的,什么都会想要知道,他们又不会自动屏蔽有关性的问题,有一天他们去问老师,或者来问父母,作为父母,怎么去解释?怎么去教育?我请问你们,卖淫嫖娼和乱伦,是个人的自由么?应该被尊重么?


I am sure MM, you are intelligent enough to use words other than " shithole","disgusting", to explain what gay means to your kids. [em63]

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最后那个还是通过了吗?
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以下是引用ranran_sweety在2008-11-5 1:58:00的发言:

I am sure MM, you are intelligent enough to use words other than " shithole","disgusting", to explain what gay means to your kids. 图片点击可在新窗口打开查看


will "anus" "gross" make any difference? 

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以下是引用凡士林在2008-11-5 2:02:00的发言:
最后那个还是通过了吗?

应该是通过了,没什么大变化了,应该。
anyway, i would vote no if i'm allowed
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以下是引用dust07在2008-11-5 1:52:00的发言:


关键的问题就是很多人不认为卖淫嫖娼和乱伦与同性恋是一个category,like me

有多少人觉得婚姻应该是一夫一妻呢?没人要禁止同性恋行为,只是觉得他们那个叫marriage不太合适。


比如,婚外情,这个也和乱伦,卖淫,不是一个category, 这个行为有争议,当事人可能觉得命运作弄不能自已。这个行为社会上很多了,也有陆一曼,还有啥别的听美好的例子。


但是要是这些人说作为小三,情妇受到了歧视,要争取一夫多妻合法化,是不是就让人难以接受呢?


总之,道德上的标准每个人都不一样,大多数人能接受,就可以作。所以要投票,这个彼此不太可能说服的,有什么观点有投票权就一定要投,然后就接受结果好了。

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以下是引用dust07在2008-11-5 1:52:00的发言:


关键的问题就是很多人不认为卖淫嫖娼和乱伦与同性恋是一个category,like me

 


I am glad that it is passed, at least it sends out a message to people what is the right direction that we as human being should go for. I think 乱伦and同性恋 are in the same category, as they are against the biological rule that i have been believing in. As more and more ppl 乱伦 and 同性恋, human being will extinct eventually, although it is very unlikely to happen.


 


If you look at the summary of arguement against prop 8:


 


Equality under the law is a fundamental freedom. Regardless of how we feel about marriage, singling people (if a farther and his daughter are both single, and they want to get married, can you accept that? ) out to be treated differently is wrong (If two things are different, i don't see why we call them the same name). Prop. 8 won't affect our schools, but it will mean loving couples are treated differently under our Constitution and denied equal protection under the law (They can get the same protection as marriage can bring them, i am not against that, but not under the name of marriage).


[此贴子已经被作者于2008-11-5 2:10:45编辑过]

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以下是引用dust07在2008-11-5 1:52:00的发言:


关键的问题就是很多人不认为卖淫嫖娼和乱伦与同性恋是一个category,like me


this will be legal as well in SF if Pro K is passed.
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以下是引用vivien0612在2008-11-5 2:03:00的发言:

will "anus" "gross" make any difference? 


啊啊! MM给你台阶下你不要下就算了,希望你有个幸福的家庭.
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以下是引用angeliali在2008-11-5 2:05:00的发言:

 

I am glad that it is passed, at list it sends out a message to people what is the right direction that we as human being should go for. I think 乱伦and同性恋 are in the same category, as they are against the biological rule that i have been believing in. As more and more ppl 乱伦 and 同性恋, human being will extinct eventually, although it is very unlikely to happen.

 

If you look at the summary of arguement against prop 8:

 

Equality under the law is a fundamental freedom. Regardless of how we feel about marriage, singling people (if a farther and his daughter are both single, and they want to get married, can you accept that? ) out to be treated differently is wrong (If two things are different, i don't see why we call them the same name). Prop. 8 won't affect our schools, but it will mean loving couples are treated differently under our Constitution and denied equal protection under the law (They can get the same protection as marriage can bring them, i am not against that, but not under the name of marriage).


Exactly my position.
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以下是引用angeliali在2008-11-5 2:05:00的发言:

 


I am glad that it is passed, at list it sends out a message to people what is the right direction that we as human being should go for. I think 乱伦and同性恋 are in the same category, as they are against the biological rule that i have been believing in. As more and more ppl 乱伦 and 同性恋, human being will extinct eventually, although it is very unlikely to happen.


 


If you look at the summary of arguement against prop 8:


 


Equality under the law is a fundamental freedom. Regardless of how we feel about marriage, singling people (if a farther and his daughter are both single, and they want to get married, can you accept that? ) out to be treated differently is wrong (If two things are different, i don't see why we call them the same name). Prop. 8 won't affect our schools, but it will mean loving couples are treated differently under our Constitution and denied equal protection under the law (They can get the same protection as marriage can bring them, i am not against that, but not under the name of marriage).


I like your blue words. Good argument!


But I don't think we can persuade anyone on this issue.


Really, why they insist on "marriage", they already accept the word "gay" and "les", why not use "gayrage" and "lesage", why would that hurt their feeling?

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以下是引用youxi在2008-11-5 2:10:00的发言:


啊啊! MM给你台阶下你不要下就算了,希望你有个幸福的家庭.

hehe, I just hope she won't teach her kids about sex using the "hole" language, sign....

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以下是引用proserpina在2008-11-5 2:08:00的发言:


this will be legal as well in SF if Pro K is passed.

所以说道德的标准对错是很模糊的。


赞成同性恋婚姻的,可能有一百条理由反对卖淫嫖娼,其实不过是每个人的道德标准不一样而已。


投票就是看看大多数人怎么想,顺着大伙儿的意思。


 

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