tg很差世人皆知

美帝也要和他们一样吗？不过真的也差不多了

CleverBeaver 发表于 2021-06-06 00:37

组织上给你们起的网名太没创意, 一个adj followed by a noun. 我知道你的工作态度很好， 手段很多， 但起的网名暴露了一切， 脱光了衣服的你手段再多也会让人注意的

Bluecrab

Cleverbeaver

Silverwing

不用我再举例了吧? 改个名字吧。

组织上给你们起的网名太没创意, 一个adj followed by a noun. 我知道你的工作态度很好， 手段很多， 但起的网名暴露了一切， 脱光了衣服的你手段再多也会让人注意的

Bluecrab

Cleverbeaver

Silverwing

不用我再举例了吧? 改个名字吧。

Shinlg 发表于 2021-06-06 00:49

Lol

组织上给你们起的网名太没创意, 一个adj followed by a noun. 我知道你的工作态度很好， 手段很多， 但起的网名暴露了一切， 脱光了衣服的你手段再多也会让人注意的

Bluecrab

Cleverbeaver

Silverwing

不用我再举例了吧? 改个名字吧。

Shinlg 发表于 2021-06-06 00:49

我建议还是就事论事吧，不管谁，在这个版面还是可以自由发言，除非有证据表明是troll 故意捣乱。

昨天花了一晚上时间读完了全文。叹为观止。最后发现害了全世界死了百万人的新冠，结果是科学界在管理不善的国家搞危险实验搞出来的，然后各种隐瞒。真像看科幻小说一样。
hellensiao 发表于 2021-06-06 01:04

后期估计新的瓜还会有

这篇文章我都看了。虽然版上有人一直强调没有实锤证据证明病毒来自实验室，但是大家都不是傻瓜。这么多信息都综合起来，如果还有人认为实验室泄漏绝无可能，不是脑子不好使，就是带任务来发言的。

我建议还是就事论事吧，不管谁，在这个版面还是可以自由发言，除非有证据表明是troll 故意捣乱。

noshock 发表于 2021-06-06 01:04

我觉得你还是很有理想主义的

忘了我俩是聊啥认识的了

新冠让我长期压力很大 记忆力很差了 sorry 但是你的id很醒目的

美帝吧 有点是让一些理想主义的人还有可以存活 虽然不一定可以声音响亮

天朝吧 就想也不想了

今天还发现一件事 觉得和我得新冠的症状也符合

因为S protein要从ACE2 receptor进细胞 把心脏和肺部的ACE2都占了 于是乎ACE2的正常功能都不能进行 于是心肌受损严重 血压高

以后可能可以出一些从这方面着手缓解症状的药吧

还有就是感染新冠会出现cell fusion 这样呢 病毒不一定需要释放到细胞外才能感染新的细胞 免疫机制很难发挥作用

总之是个很魔幻的🦠

很多料都看过，最主要的有两个。

1。石正丽在前后很多事情对不上，至少还有8个接近新冠病毒的序列，怀疑她主动被动说谎。看看将来石女士还会不会出国开会，新冠之前她很活跃的。

2。美国政府知道三个研究人员曾经得过类似新冠的病症，在世卫调查时要求拿到三人的原始材料，被拒绝了。同时，石女士也一再声明病毒所没有一人感染，好像还在这三人染病被揪出来之前。中国政府不肯溯源这三个人，让她说话信用打折扣，还有提前掩盖的意味。

这个班上还有很多疫苗托 不能允许你说半点疫苗的potential问题

fb禁言lab origin 主流媒体帮着压制言论

其实也没有哪个国家是真的净土 只是看背后势力的较量而已

美帝趁二战 积累了很多人力财力 可惜这些年下来都快耗完了 于是这些各类牛马蛇神都冒出来了

各类奇怪诡异的托 只要给钱 什么都可以托

我觉得你还是很有理想主义的

忘了我俩是聊啥认识的了

新冠让我长期压力很大 记忆力很差了 sorry 但是你的id很醒目的

美帝吧 有点是让一些理想主义的人还有可以存活 虽然不一定可以声音响亮

天朝吧 就想也不想了

今天还发现一件事 觉得和我得新冠的症状也符合

因为S protein要从ACE2 receptor进细胞 把心脏和肺部的ACE2都占了 于是乎ACE2的正常功能都不能进行 于是心肌受损严重 血压高

以后可能可以出一些从这方面着手缓解症状的药吧

还有就是感染新冠会出现cell fusion 这样呢 病毒不一定需要释放到细胞外才能感染新的细胞 免疫机制很难发挥作用

总之是个很魔幻的🦠

CleverBeaver 发表于 2021-06-06 01:13

哈，我觉得我们有时agree, 有时 agree to disagree. 意见可以不同，但是大家都要正派。你注意到了我的id, 不错。我注册时，感到大陆许多事情不但震惊, shock，而且一再突破底线。与我离开大陆时的感觉相差太大，我都有点麻木了，所以起名noshock.

哈，我觉得我们有时agree, 有时 agree to disagree. 意见可以不同，但是大家都要正派。你注意到了我的id, 不错。我注册时，感到大陆许多事情不但震惊, shock，而且一再突破底线。与我离开大陆时的感觉相差太大，我都有点麻木了，所以起名noshock.

noshock 发表于 2021-06-06 01:50

嗯 和你一个感觉 大陆出现神马都波澜不惊了

嗯 和你一个感觉 大陆出现神马都波澜不惊了

CleverBeaver 发表于 2021-06-06 01:53

什么大陆不大陆的，中国是中国，台湾是台湾。台湾那地方让他们自己闹去。

这篇文章我都看了。虽然版上有人一直强调没有实锤证据证明病毒来自实验室，但是大家都不是傻瓜。这么多信息都综合起来，如果还有人认为实验室泄漏绝无可能，不是脑子不好使，就是带任务来发言的。

elee555 发表于 2021-06-06 01:11

世界上，包括美国，都有以circumstantial evidence 定罪的。近例如章的不幸事件，那个凶手就是以circumstantial evidence 定罪的。客观而言，以这种方式看，武毒所的实际卷入病毒是完全确定的，至于如何牵连，则是进一步调查的任务。

世界上，包括美国，都有以circumstantial evidence 定罪的。近例如章的不幸事件，那个凶手就是以circumstantial evidence 定罪的。客观而言，以这种方式看，武毒所的实际卷入病毒是完全确定的，至于如何牵连，则是进一步调查的任务。

noshock 发表于 2021-06-06 02:03

sure

什么大陆不大陆的，中国是中国，台湾是台湾。台湾那地方让他们自己闹去。

purpledee 发表于 2021-06-06 01:56

说大陆不对吗？你的挑衅莫名其妙。台独才喜欢说中国，你莫非是台独？不过这对我而言倒无所谓。

很多料都看过，最主要的有两个。

1。石正丽在前后很多事情对不上，至少还有8个接近新冠病毒的序列，怀疑她主动被动说谎。看看将来石女士还会不会出国开会，新冠之前她很活跃的。

2。美国政府知道三个研究人员曾经得过类似新冠的病症，在世卫调查时要求拿到三人的原始材料，被拒绝了。同时，石女士也一再声明病毒所没有一人感染，好像还在这三人染病被揪出来之前。中国政府不肯溯源这三个人，让她说话信用打折扣，还有提前掩盖的意味。

Rhy 发表于 2021-06-06 01:14

"看看将来石女士还会不会出国开会，新冠之前她很活跃的。"

其实这个“会不会出国开会”的问题很重要。看疫苗的进展情况，如果疫情到今年秋冬的时候确实消退了，西方国家重新开始组织各种线下的国际会议了，可以看看那些以前在国际会议上很活跃的中国病毒学研究人员还能不能出国开会？

就我所知，已经有好些其他行业的国际会议安排在9月以后恢复在美国线下举办了。

说大陆不对吗？你的挑衅莫名其妙。台独才喜欢说中国，你莫非是台独？不过这对我而言倒无所谓。

noshock 发表于 2021-06-06 02:11

握爪 don’t really care

其实我也care过 两年前的6 4 还为hk同胞们难过过

但新冠貌似打乱了所有事的节奏

今后各类事件的走向有点看不出来的感觉

我把最近一个月以来围绕新冠病毒溯源的主要事件按时间线总结了一下，欢迎大家评论补充

May 5: Former New York Times science reporter Nicholas Wade, writing in the Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists, reviews the evidence and makes a strong case for the lab-leak theory. He focuses in particular on the furin cleavage site, which increases viral infectivity for human cells. His analysis yields this quote from David Baltimore, a virologist and former president of the California Institute of Technology: “When I first saw the furin cleavage site in the viral sequence, with its arginine codons, I said to my wife it was the smoking gun for the origin of the virus. These features make a powerful challenge to the idea of a natural origin for SARS2.”

https://thebulletin.org/2021/05/the-origin-of-covid-did-people-or-nature-open-pandoras-box-at-wuhan/

May 7: James Freeman, Assistant editor, editorial page, The Wall Street Journal became the first reporter of a major news outlet challenging the intertwined relationship among China, Fauci and Origins of COVID

https://www.wsj.com/articles/china-fauci-and-the-origins-of-covid-11620419989

May 11: During a Senate hearing on the pandemic response, Paul alleged that the National Institutes of Health (NIH) had been sending funding to the Wuhan lab, which then "juiced up" a virus that was originally found in bats to create a super virus that can infect human cells. Paul pressed Fauci on the theory that the novel coronavirus was created in the Wuhan lab, and then somehow escaped, either because of an accident or because it was deliberately released.

https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/552857-rand-paul-clashes-with-fauci-over-coronavirus-origins

May 14: Eighteen prominent scientists publish a letter in the journal Science, saying a new investigation is needed because “theories of accidental release from a lab and zoonotic spillover both remain viable.” One signer is Ralph Baric, a virologist who worked closely with Shi.

https://science.sciencemag.org/content/372/6543/694.1

May 17: Another former New York Times science reporter, Donald G. McNeil Jr., posts on Medium: “How I Learned to Stop Worrying And Love the Lab-Leak Theory.” He quotes W. Ian Lipkin of Columbia University — who had signed the March 2020 letter in Nature Medicine — as saying his mind had changed in light of new information.

https://donaldgmcneiljr1954.medium.com/how-i-learned-to-stop-worrying-and-love-the-lab-leak-theory-f4f88446b04d

May 23: WSJ published an exclusive news piece which reports three researchers from China’s Wuhan Institute of Virology became sick enough in November 2019 that they sought hospital care, according to a previously undisclosed U.S. intelligence report that could add weight to growing calls for a fuller probe of whether the Covid-19 virus may have escaped from the laboratory.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/intelligence-on-sick-staff-at-wuhan-lab-fuels-debate-on-covid-19-origin-11621796228

May 24: Anthony Fauci, apparently “changed” his mind, admitted earlier this month that he is no longer convinced that the Covid-19 pandemic originated naturally.

Same day, Dr. Scott Gottlieb, the 23rd commissioner of the Food and Drug Administration (FDA), said the growing number of reports provide an increasing amount of circumstantial evidence supporting the theory that the virus could have escaped from a lab.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/05/24/politics/fauci-donald-trump-coronavirus/index.html

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/05/24/gottlieb-says-theres-growing-circumstantial-evidence-that-covid-may-have-originated-in-a-lab.html

May 26: President Biden ordered the Intelligence Community to redouble their efforts to collect and analyze information that could bring us closer to a definitive conclusion, and to report back in 90 days.

Same day, The Editorial Board of WSJ endorsed the credibility of The Virus Lab Theory

https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2021/05/26/statement-by-president-joe-biden-on-the-investigation-into-the-origins-of-covid-19/

https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-virus-lab-theorys-new-credibility-11622066808

June 2: Uncovered Emails Show Fauci’s deep involvement in Gain of Function research

https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/20793561/leopold-nih-foia-anthony-fauci-emails.pdf

June 3: Vanity Fair published a nearly 12,000-word article by award-winning journalist Katherine Eban; it's much worth reading on the bottom line question of whether COVID-19 indeed stemmed from a lab leak.

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2021/06/the-lab-leak-theory-inside-the-fight-to-uncover-covid-19s-origins

我把最近一个月以来围绕新冠病毒溯源的主要事件按时间线总结了一下，欢迎大家评论补充

May 5: Former New York Times science reporter Nicholas Wade, writing in the Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists, reviews the evidence and makes a strong case for the lab-leak theory. He focuses in particular on the furin cleavage site, which increases viral infectivity for human cells. His analysis yields this quote from David Baltimore, a virologist and former president of the California Institute of Technology: “When I first saw the furin cleavage site in the viral sequence, with its arginine codons, I said to my wife it was the smoking gun for the origin of the virus. These features make a powerful challenge to the idea of a natural origin for SARS2.”

https://thebulletin.org/2021/05/the-origin-of-covid-did-people-or-nature-open-pandoras-box-at-wuhan/

May 7: James Freeman, Assistant editor, editorial page, The Wall Street Journal became the first reporter of a major news outlet challenging the intertwined relationship among China, Fauci and Origins of COVID

https://www.wsj.com/articles/china-fauci-and-the-origins-of-covid-11620419989

May 11: During a Senate hearing on the pandemic response, Paul alleged that the National Institutes of Health (NIH) had been sending funding to the Wuhan lab, which then "juiced up" a virus that was originally found in bats to create a super virus that can infect human cells. Paul pressed Fauci on the theory that the novel coronavirus was created in the Wuhan lab, and then somehow escaped, either because of an accident or because it was deliberately released.

https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/552857-rand-paul-clashes-with-fauci-over-coronavirus-origins

May 14: Eighteen prominent scientists publish a letter in the journal Science, saying a new investigation is needed because “theories of accidental release from a lab and zoonotic spillover both remain viable.” One signer is Ralph Baric, a virologist who worked closely with Shi.

https://science.sciencemag.org/content/372/6543/694.1

May 17: Another former New York Times science reporter, Donald G. McNeil Jr., posts on Medium: “How I Learned to Stop Worrying And Love the Lab-Leak Theory.” He quotes W. Ian Lipkin of Columbia University — who had signed the March 2020 letter in Nature Medicine — as saying his mind had changed in light of new information.

https://donaldgmcneiljr1954.medium.com/how-i-learned-to-stop-worrying-and-love-the-lab-leak-theory-f4f88446b04d

May 23: WSJ published an exclusive news piece which reports three researchers from China’s Wuhan Institute of Virology became sick enough in November 2019 that they sought hospital care, according to a previously undisclosed U.S. intelligence report that could add weight to growing calls for a fuller probe of whether the Covid-19 virus may have escaped from the laboratory.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/intelligence-on-sick-staff-at-wuhan-lab-fuels-debate-on-covid-19-origin-11621796228

May 24: Anthony Fauci, apparently “changed” his mind, admitted earlier this month that he is no longer convinced that the Covid-19 pandemic originated naturally.

Same day, Dr. Scott Gottlieb, the 23rd commissioner of the Food and Drug Administration (FDA), said the growing number of reports provide an increasing amount of circumstantial evidence supporting the theory that the virus could have escaped from a lab.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/05/24/politics/fauci-donald-trump-coronavirus/index.html

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/05/24/gottlieb-says-theres-growing-circumstantial-evidence-that-covid-may-have-originated-in-a-lab.html

May 26: President Biden ordered the Intelligence Community to redouble their efforts to collect and analyze information that could bring us closer to a definitive conclusion, and to report back in 90 days.

Same day, The Editorial Board of WSJ endorsed the credibility of The Virus Lab Theory

https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2021/05/26/statement-by-president-joe-biden-on-the-investigation-into-the-origins-of-covid-19/

https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-virus-lab-theorys-new-credibility-11622066808

June 2: Uncovered Emails Show Fauci’s deep involvement in Gain of Function research

https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/20793561/leopold-nih-foia-anthony-fauci-emails.pdf

June 3: Vanity Fair published a nearly 12,000-word article by award-winning journalist Katherine Eban; it's much worth reading on the bottom line question of whether COVID-19 indeed stemmed from a lab leak.

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2021/06/the-lab-leak-theory-inside-the-fight-to-uncover-covid-19s-origins

Shang_Ri_La 发表于 2021-06-06 02:59

感谢总结，非常棒！