明天有陈妈妈的讲座。有人有直接的zoom link吗？

明天有陈妈妈的讲座。有人有直接的zoom link吗？

piranha 发表于 2022-06-24 22:42

Zoom： https://qr.page/g/3l5WxxMaZX1

Youtube：https://qr.page/g/4JP6NEozcGt

Zoom： https://qr.page/g/3l5WxxMaZX1

Youtube：https://qr.page/g/4JP6NEozcGt

lulupig77 发表于 2022-06-24 23:13

多谢！

在Youtube Nathan 2018 world championship FS的视频下看到的一个评论：

Won 6 times against Hanyu since 2017 now.

2017: 4cc, Rostelocom Cup

2019: Worlds

2020: GPF

2021: Worlds

2022: Olympics

Looking back on this 6 year-long journey of Nathan Chen to complete dominance, one can see that in 2017 he begun to rise to the top of the podium, but was still not completely clean and stable on all his jumps. In 2018 Olympics, he should have gone for an easier SP jump repertoire to be safe and relied solely on FS to win Gold, but he chose unwisely against coach's advice to go for the most difficult SP jump components, which resulted in complete failure under pressure, and ended off the podium. 

In Worlds 3 weeks later, he did same programs, and though not all clean, won by huge margin, with 322+ total points. Hence started the era of Nathan Chen's complete dominance of the field, where he would typically win by 22+ or more points. For the next 2 years, he dominated the field while stuyding full time at Yale, and improved each and every aspect of his skating until by 2020 GPF in Torino, he attained perfection, delivering 2 flawless programs, and setting new records for FS and TS. Hanyu had lost by a huge margin the previous year to Nathan at Worlds 2019. Their meeting at Torino begun on a super tense note. Nathan delivered a sublime, flawless SP, whereas Hanyu failed to deliver the combination jump in the SP. In the men's interview after SP, Nathan Chen was tense and unsmiling, and Hanyu was uncomfortable - the atmostphere was so tense you could cut it with a knife. After his disastrous SP, Hanyu was forced to attempt 5 Quads in his FS, and brought down the largest Pooh shower ever on his birthday, but failed to gain more than 94+ points in his FS. By this time, Nathan had gotten very used to skating right after Hanyu had brought down the roof, and he just calmly went on after that Pooh shower to deliver the skate of his life. Hanyu got completely trounced, again. Lucky for Hanyu, the pandemic started and Worlds got cancelled otherwise he would have lost again. So frustrated was Hanyu at losing to Nathan again and again while skating to the 2 "tributary" skates to Johnny Weir and Pluschenko that were meant to mark the easy, triumphant, reflective end of his competitive career, that he ditched them mid-season and went back to his already once-recycled Olympic programs.

The next time they met, at Worlds 2021, Hanyu had debuted what was clearly meant to be his next Olympic FS program Heaven and Earth, dressed in an elaborate, blue and pink flowery costume. Nathan Chen, skating to new program featuring mexican-themed music from Desperado, uncharacteristically fell on a jump in the SP, giving Hanyu an 8 point advantage going into the FS. That advantage would result in no advantage to Hanyu at all. In the FS, Nathan entered into a transcendental realm skating to selections from Phillip Glass, wearing an old, black, holey hand-me-down top lent to him by Shae-lynne Bourne. The only reason why he did not break his previous FS record set at Torino was cos he wasn't the last skater. Hanyu was the last skater, and probably totally unnerved by Nathan Chen's transcendental perfection, fell completely apart on and gave an underwhelming delivery of Heaven and Earth. Again, he got trounced, this time even worse than before. He landed in 4th place in FS, and 3rd place overall. Unfortunately, due to the pandemic restrictions, few people got to witness Nathan Chen's astounding Phillip Glass free skate, and the ISU did not even upload the competition online. British 1980 Olympic figure skating champion Robin Cousins, covering the competition for the BBC, could be heard after the program clapping loudly and then gasping and sighing for a long time in equal parts awe and disbelief as he struggled to find words.....he called Nathan's skate "just phenomenal....a piece of figure skating history".

In the 2022 Olympic season, Nathan wisely went back to his 2019-2020 programs after realizing that the 2 new programs, which he debuted at Skate America, were not going to work for the Olympics. At Skate America, maybe because the pressure of the Olympic season was beginning to get on his nerves, he fell on the SP and was handed his first loss (3rd place finish) in 4 years. The SP especially, with a bit of Nemesis tacked on at the end, had the power to evoke bad memories of Pyeongchang and would have been a disastrous choice. The LP set to Lacrimosa was super heavy, and might have done him in like it did Mozart. Though he bounced right back and won Skate Canada soon after with those same programs, still, he wisely decided not to take the risk, and went back to La Boheme and Rocketman for the Olympics. At Skate America, he retried those programs, and hilariously tripped and did a face plant on the ice in the hip hop section at the end. Still, he won.

Meanwhile, over in Japan, for the first time in a long time, Hanyu delivered clean programs to win Japan Nationals. That made him think that he might have a chance at Olympic Gold, esp since Nathan was for the first time in a long time falling down, so he entered the competition. Well, the rest is history. Nathan broke the SP record with a flawless, sublime, sophisticated, and beautufully refined rendition of La Boheme, featuring his by-now perfected combination of Quad Lutz and flip. In the FS, he did enough to decisively win before the hip hop had even started. Not one of his iconic perfect, transcental free skates, but heh, it got the job done, and it was fun. Hanyu popped the first jump on his SP and blamed the ice. In his FS, he predictably fell on QA and then again on Quad Salchow. Still, he did enough to sit in the Green Room or winners room all the way through to almost the end of the men's competition when Nathan Chen pushed him out of the running. For the first time in 10 years, Hanyu landed OFF the podium.

So going ahead, I think both Hanyu and Nathan will retire. Nathan certainly is going back to school and won't skate competitivey for 2 years. After that, I don't think he will come back. Hanyu, if he is wise, will retire. So, will the field be very boring? Well, there's Yuma Kagiyama and the up-and-coming Ilia Malinin to watch. None of them are in Nathan's stratosphere yet, but in 2 years time, they might be pushing the boundaries of the sport beyond what Nathan has accomplished. Time will tell.

现在的男子花样滑冰是多少年最好看的时候！期待马林林的4A

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同觉得Nathan是要退了，羽生反倒可能还会再撑四年，毕竟他的4A还没有完成呢。

在Youtube Nathan 2018 world championship FS的视频下看到的一个评论：

Won 6 times against Hanyu since 2017 now.

2017: 4cc, Rostelocom Cup

2019: Worlds

2020: GPF

2021: Worlds

2022: Olympics

Looking back on this 6 year-long journey of Nathan Chen to complete dominance, one can see that in 2017 he begun to rise to the top of the podium, but was still not completely clean and stable on all his jumps. In 2018 Olympics, he should have gone for an easier SP jump repertoire to be safe and relied solely on FS to win Gold, but he chose unwisely against coach's advice to go for the most difficult SP jump components, which resulted in complete failure under pressure, and ended off the podium. 

In Worlds 3 weeks later, he did same programs, and though not all clean, won by huge margin, with 322+ total points. Hence started the era of Nathan Chen's complete dominance of the field, where he would typically win by 22+ or more points. For the next 2 years, he dominated the field while stuyding full time at Yale, and improved each and every aspect of his skating until by 2020 GPF in Torino, he attained perfection, delivering 2 flawless programs, and setting new records for FS and TS. Hanyu had lost by a huge margin the previous year to Nathan at Worlds 2019. Their meeting at Torino begun on a super tense note. Nathan delivered a sublime, flawless SP, whereas Hanyu failed to deliver the combination jump in the SP. In the men's interview after SP, Nathan Chen was tense and unsmiling, and Hanyu was uncomfortable - the atmostphere was so tense you could cut it with a knife. After his disastrous SP, Hanyu was forced to attempt 5 Quads in his FS, and brought down the largest Pooh shower ever on his birthday, but failed to gain more than 94+ points in his FS. By this time, Nathan had gotten very used to skating right after Hanyu had brought down the roof, and he just calmly went on after that Pooh shower to deliver the skate of his life. Hanyu got completely trounced, again. Lucky for Hanyu, the pandemic started and Worlds got cancelled otherwise he would have lost again. So frustrated was Hanyu at losing to Nathan again and again while skating to the 2 "tributary" skates to Johnny Weir and Pluschenko that were meant to mark the easy, triumphant, reflective end of his competitive career, that he ditched them mid-season and went back to his already once-recycled Olympic programs.

The next time they met, at Worlds 2021, Hanyu had debuted what was clearly meant to be his next Olympic FS program Heaven and Earth, dressed in an elaborate, blue and pink flowery costume. Nathan Chen, skating to new program featuring mexican-themed music from Desperado, uncharacteristically fell on a jump in the SP, giving Hanyu an 8 point advantage going into the FS. That advantage would result in no advantage to Hanyu at all. In the FS, Nathan entered into a transcendental realm skating to selections from Phillip Glass, wearing an old, black, holey hand-me-down top lent to him by Shae-lynne Bourne. The only reason why he did not break his previous FS record set at Torino was cos he wasn't the last skater. Hanyu was the last skater, and probably totally unnerved by Nathan Chen's transcendental perfection, fell completely apart on and gave an underwhelming delivery of Heaven and Earth. Again, he got trounced, this time even worse than before. He landed in 4th place in FS, and 3rd place overall. Unfortunately, due to the pandemic restrictions, few people got to witness Nathan Chen's astounding Phillip Glass free skate, and the ISU did not even upload the competition online. British 1980 Olympic figure skating champion Robin Cousins, covering the competition for the BBC, could be heard after the program clapping loudly and then gasping and sighing for a long time in equal parts awe and disbelief as he struggled to find words.....he called Nathan's skate "just phenomenal....a piece of figure skating history".

In the 2022 Olympic season, Nathan wisely went back to his 2019-2020 programs after realizing that the 2 new programs, which he debuted at Skate America, were not going to work for the Olympics. At Skate America, maybe because the pressure of the Olympic season was beginning to get on his nerves, he fell on the SP and was handed his first loss (3rd place finish) in 4 years. The SP especially, with a bit of Nemesis tacked on at the end, had the power to evoke bad memories of Pyeongchang and would have been a disastrous choice. The LP set to Lacrimosa was super heavy, and might have done him in like it did Mozart. Though he bounced right back and won Skate Canada soon after with those same programs, still, he wisely decided not to take the risk, and went back to La Boheme and Rocketman for the Olympics. At Skate America, he retried those programs, and hilariously tripped and did a face plant on the ice in the hip hop section at the end. Still, he won.

Meanwhile, over in Japan, for the first time in a long time, Hanyu delivered clean programs to win Japan Nationals. That made him think that he might have a chance at Olympic Gold, esp since Nathan was for the first time in a long time falling down, so he entered the competition. Well, the rest is history. Nathan broke the SP record with a flawless, sublime, sophisticated, and beautufully refined rendition of La Boheme, featuring his by-now perfected combination of Quad Lutz and flip. In the FS, he did enough to decisively win before the hip hop had even started. Not one of his iconic perfect, transcental free skates, but heh, it got the job done, and it was fun. Hanyu popped the first jump on his SP and blamed the ice. In his FS, he predictably fell on QA and then again on Quad Salchow. Still, he did enough to sit in the Green Room or winners room all the way through to almost the end of the men's competition when Nathan Chen pushed him out of the running. For the first time in 10 years, Hanyu landed OFF the podium.

So going ahead, I think both Hanyu and Nathan will retire. Nathan certainly is going back to school and won't skate competitivey for 2 years. After that, I don't think he will come back. Hanyu, if he is wise, will retire. So, will the field be very boring? Well, there's Yuma Kagiyama and the up-and-coming Ilia Malinin to watch. None of them are in Nathan's stratosphere yet, but in 2 years time, they might be pushing the boundaries of the sport beyond what Nathan has accomplished. Time will tell.

piranha 发表于 2022-06-25 11:46

如果算上21WTT，Nathan赢过羽生7次吧。2019gpf他错写成2020gpf了。总之这四年来就是以绝对优势断层领先。羽生则从第二、到第三到上不了领奖台。竞技场就是残酷的，年轻的选手总有一天会以更强的技术和体能后浪推前浪。Nathan主动选择了在巅峰期离开，回去完成学业，自己亲手结束自己统治的时代

他的4A真的会有完成的一天吗？

Nathan比赛是为了自我实现，这也是他妈妈教他的。他会有大比分的领先是因为他的对手是昨天的自己而不是别人。如果只是为了奖牌，很多时候他可以不用那么拼的。如今滑冰的梦想实现了，他还有其它的梦想去实现。他自己和家人都是视野很开阔的, optimistic, hard-working, strategic, and somewhat detached from worldly successes.

羽生也许年轻时太顺了，执着心太强了。不过我们每个人都很执着，大部分人也并没有比羽生洒脱，努力程度就差更多了。很多时候羽生就像镜子一样能够照出凡人的一些缺点。陈家的父母和孩子好像有点超乎凡人了，他们有决策和执行失误的时候，但是失误之后的调整也太快了。情绪控制力超强，判断力清晰，执行力爆表。

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现在的男子花样滑冰是多少年最好看的时候！期待马林林的4A

shaohuacrystal 发表于 2022-06-25 12:03

如果说跳跃技术上的突破，yes. 但是花滑作为一个运动，not really. 现在的Yuma 和Ilia都没有展现出17岁的Shoma, Nathan和musicality。Yuma滑行基本功扎实，欢乐upbeat的曲目变现很好，但是lyrical 的节目现在为止还是比较junior. Ilia的滑行以及稳定性还要磨一段时间。羽生如果不退役, 加上Shoma会更推动小选手们。

Nathan在选曲多样性的方面带来的贡献总是被冰迷们给忽视

Nathan比赛是为了自我实现，这也是他妈妈教他的。他会有大比分的领先是因为他的对手是昨天的自己而不是别人。如果只是为了奖牌，很多时候他可以不用那么拼的。如今滑冰的梦想实现了，他还有其它的梦想去实现。他自己和家人都是视野很开阔的, optimistic, hard-working, strategic, and somewhat detached from worldly successes.

羽生也许年轻时太顺了，执着心太强了。不过我们每个人都很执着，大部分人也并没有比羽生洒脱，努力程度就差更多了。很多时候羽生就像镜子一样能够照出凡人的一些缺点。陈家的父母和孩子好像有点超乎凡人了，他们有决策和执行失误的时候，但是失误之后的调整也太快了。情绪控制力超强，判断力清晰，执行力爆表。

hyacinthus 发表于 2022-06-25 14:07

Nathan本人很不喜欢attention, 加上北美练习花滑的孩子们大都不把花滑作为一个career, 而更像Nathan说的passion project, 所以花滑注定只是人生的一部分。

Nathan难得是他选择了在height of his fame选择离开，固然本来是人生计划的一部分，但是最高点暂时退下去读书而不是做别的，需要很大的勇气和determination。

Evan当初对Nathan说获得奥运冠军你的人生会有很多意想不到的转变和机会，Nathan现在就经历这些，都不能动摇回去读书的愿望和计划，算是discipline 和 determination

Yuma找Shea编的新节目是Believer，我非常好奇他能不能驾驭这个曲风。我觉得他以前的Michael Bubble曲风倒是很适合他，但很难想象他能滑believer，我其实无比想看Nathan 滑believer，想想就口水了

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Yuma找Shea编的新节目是Believer，我非常好奇他能不能驾驭这个曲风。我觉得他以前的Michael Bubble曲风倒是很适合他，但很难想象他能滑believer，我其实无比想看Nathan 滑believer，想想就口水了

ontheedge 发表于 2022-06-25 16:11

同好奇

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Yuma找Shea编的新节目是Believer，我非常好奇他能不能驾驭这个曲风。我觉得他以前的Michael Bubble曲风倒是很适合他，但很难想象他能滑believer，我其实无比想看Nathan 滑believer，想想就口水了

ontheedge 发表于 2022-06-25 16:11

believer还好吧，Yuma领悟能力很强，Bubble 那个SP刚开始的时候挺尴尬，Jackie还评论过说该笑的时候Yuma很严肃。他SP中vocussion 很适合他，当初特别惊艳。他的FS相对都没啥亮点，就看他那无比舒服的丝滑了

Nathan正式SP不太会滑比较poppy的曲子，当年Nemesis他还犹豫来着，觉得太poppy, 看到冰上的Shae 才改主意。 只能等他EX时候滑

Romain的IGS贴了点他滑冰的花絮，他转身以及小跳的样子有一点点儿像Nathan

本来现在就只能期待他冰演新节目啊，没指望过比赛😅

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本来现在就只能期待他冰演新节目啊，没指望过比赛😅

ontheedge 发表于 2022-06-25 16:34

比赛的节目真是一点一点磨出来，他这赛季两个节目那么漂亮跟这两年总被Shae揪着有关。冰演就像Space Song, 拿到choreo就任他自己发挥了。好在这两年被Shae Lynn 磨的也够他用几年。

朋友圈看到马林林昨天在一个skating camp 的表演滑，同觉得比17岁的内森差不止半点。当然人家也可能就是随便滑一下，毕竟既不是商演更不是比赛。

小红书好像有片段？好像哪个付费平台还能看完整版。我没关注Yuma 只是随便扫了一眼。

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朋友圈看到马林林昨天在一个skating camp 的表演滑，同觉得比17岁的内森差不止半点。当然人家也可能就是随便滑一下，毕竟既不是商演更不是比赛。

lulupig77 发表于 2022-06-25 17:26

看看17岁的Shoma的全日表演，Shoma吃亏在top 选手里跳跃相对没那么灵。

还有个缺点，旋转的时候skating leg也跟大多数选手一样弯的辣眼，Yuma这点很好

自由滑 GPF Kurt和Carol激情解说，那时候节目4分半，看到最后好累