迄今为止，你和bluecrab之流为这个话题贡献了什么建设性的东西？

像你们这样的喷子和走狗，本可以屏蔽以图耳根清净。不过，看到这么多明眼的兄弟姐妹打你们的脸，我有一种莫名的快感。不知道你们的主子们知不知道豢养了这么一群蠢且无用的东西！

可惜的是，浪费了版面。

Shang_Ri_La 发表于 2021-06-08 16:40

他们叫的越凶，就表明你的贴越戳中要害啊，应该感到高兴。

哈哈哈，建议出书《说话的艺术》

purpledee 发表于 2021-06-08 17:27

你可以写论文 自然发生论，先预帖在此，供外行人学习。

武汉相关人士肯定知道事情真相，起码是部分真相。

猜测一下他们的心路历程可能有帮助。

为什么在疫情刚起的时候一口咬定武汉华南海鲜市场？

是有真凭实据，还是情急之下抓住的第一根救命稻草？

为什么在2020年3月疫情蔓延到全世界的时候，一方面开始切断和国际的信息交流

一方面开始硬拗成国外起源论？（各地领使馆+外交部发言人一起行动）

甚至不惜以破坏国际关系为代价？

我猜测：

是不是泄漏之后，武汉当局紧张了一下（所以有了武汉机场演习），发现没有立刻爆发，就没当回事（最早的病人可能康复了，但是没有做足够的跟踪）

病毒隐形传播了一阵之后大爆发，赶快找了华南海鲜市场当替罪羊（按照SARS的旧例，推给动物传播）

后来上面发现疫情在世界传播的规模远比想象的严重，damage control，不能再用动物传播为借口，也不配合国际任何调查。（亲自指挥亲自部署：绝不能破坏我国的国际形象，绝不能给外国递刀子）

因为如果即便是实验室泄漏的，只要不是人造的，他们应该掌握了动物传播中间宿主的资料，这个时候抛出来，立马大家都没话说了。

从硬说是动物传播，到硬说是国外起源，中间经历了什么？

这中间是不是有串谋？我们是不是真的生活在Matrix之中？我不能肯定。。。

Social Media About Face: Facebook Won’t Remove Claims Covid Was Man-Made

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Shang_Ri_La 发表于 2021-06-08 17:27

finally

这里是啥

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-06-08/u-s-eu-set-to-back-fresh-study-into-origins-of-covid-19

U.S. Gets Crucial EU Support for New Study Into Covid’s Origins

By Alberto Nardelli and Josh Wingrove

June 8, 2021, 11:13 AM PDT

• Draft statement says study should be free from interference
• U.S. has previously called for more transparency from China

The U.S. and the European Union are set to back a renewed push into investigating the origins of Covid-19 after conflicting assessments about where the outbreak started, according to a document seen by Bloomberg News.

In a draft statement the countries hope to adopt at a summit later this month, they “call for progress on a transparent, evidence-based, and expert-led WHO-convened phase 2 study on the origins of COVID-19, that is free from interference.”

The U.S. is among several countries that have called on China to be more transparent with its data and allow greater access, amid ongoing questions over whether the outbreak was caused by a laboratory accident, was transmitted from wildlife or caused by something else. A new investigation risks fueling tensions with China, which has rejected suggestions of a lab leak and rebuffed international efforts to further probe the virus’s origins.

A World Health Organization report earlier this year said the most likely origin was natural, but it’s also called for further studies.

A person familiar with discussions, which have taken place between European diplomats preparing the meeting, said that the U.S. had asked the bloc for support on a study into Covid’s origins.

Where Are We in Hunting for the Coronavirus’sOrigin?: QuickTake

The White House did not immediately respond to a request for comment. The statement is a draft and could change before the U.S. and European leaders meet in Brussels on June 15.

The document also says the U.S. and EU “commit to working together toward the development and use of a swift and independent means for investigating such outbreaks in the future.”

U.S. President Joe Biden issued a surprise statement late last month, revealing that his intelligence community remained divided on the origins of the pandemic -- giving new life to theories that it escaped from a lab.

Biden said that two “elements” of the intelligence community, which he didn’t identify, leaned toward a natural origin for the virus, while another leaned toward the Wuhan lab, a global hub for coronavirus research. Each side had “low to moderate confidence.”

Global Tensions

Biden wants intelligence agencies to report back in 90 days, setting up the prospect of the issue flaring up again ahead of the Group of 20 summit where Biden could potentially meet Chinese President Xi Jinping.

The EU would also risk angering China by giving its backing to the study. Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesman Zhao Lijian has dismissed Biden’s move as an attempt to engage in “stigmatization, political manipulation and blame-shifting.”

Elsewhere in the statement, the U.S. and the EU will commit to continuing to support the Covax facility to boost vaccinations in developing countries, and will “encourage more donors to make 2 billion vaccine doses available worldwide by late 2021.”

Funding and distributing vaccines to developing countries will be a key agenda item when G-7 leaders meet in Cornwall, England, this week. U.K. Prime Minister Boris Johnson has said he wants the group to commit to inoculating the entire world by the end of next year

The EU and the US will also pledge to work together on their “similar multi-faceted approaches to China, which include elements of cooperation, competition, and systemic rivalry.” The draft sets out a list of shared concerns about Beijing, including:

• Human rights violations in Xinjiang and Tibet
• The erosion of democratic processes in Hong Kong
• Economic coercion
• Disinformation campaigns
• Regional security issues
• And the situation in the East China Sea and South China Sea

finally

这里是啥

CleverBeaver 发表于 2021-06-08 18:05

不可告人的东西…😬

武汉相关人士肯定知道事情真相，起码是部分真相。

猜测一下他们的心路历程可能有帮助。

为什么在疫情刚起的时候一口咬定武汉华南海鲜市场？

是有真凭实据，还是情急之下抓住的第一根救命稻草？

为什么在2020年3月疫情蔓延到全世界的时候，一方面开始切断和国际的信息交流

一方面开始硬拗成国外起源论？（各地领使馆+外交部发言人一起行动）

甚至不惜以破坏国际关系为代价？

我猜测：

是不是泄漏之后，武汉当局紧张了一下（所以有了武汉机场演习），发现没有立刻爆发，就没当回事（最早的病人可能康复了，但是没有做足够的跟踪）

病毒隐形传播了一阵之后大爆发，赶快找了华南海鲜市场当替罪羊（按照SARS的旧例，推给动物传播）

后来上面发现疫情在世界传播的规模远比想象的严重，damage control，不能再用动物传播为借口，也不配合国际任何调查。（亲自指挥亲自部署：绝不能破坏我国的国际形象，绝不能给外国递刀子）

因为如果即便是实验室泄漏的，只要不是人造的，他们应该掌握了动物传播中间宿主的资料，这个时候抛出来，立马大家都没话说了。

从硬说是动物传播，到硬说是国外起源，中间经历了什么？

ArizonaGreenTea 发表于 2021-06-08 18:02

基本赞同这个过程

但是11月份重病的几个武毒所研究员的情况从时间线上要有一个解释

前疮粉都歇歇吧

没看到科学家为这种没有credit八卦杂志出来站台

没有什么严肃媒体报道转载

拜登刚给福奇背书

几个亢奋爆了大料的，看看美国上下反应，没有一丝涟漪。

几个疮轮刚倒地打滚，煞有介事大肆炒作总统选举作弊，

现在又上蹿下跳阴谋论。翻翻你们4个月前自己打脸的贴吧。

fitzroy 发表于 2021-06-08 07:18

继续把脑袋埋在沙子里吧

连Nature都开始改风向风向了？！真是恍如隔世，不可思议！

下面就看柳叶刀了…

The COVID lab-leak hypothesis: what scientists do and don’t know

Nature examines arguments that the coronavirus SARS-CoV-2 escaped from a lab in China, and the science behind them.

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-01529-3

连Nature都开始改风向风向了？！真是恍如隔世，不可思议！

下面就看柳叶刀了…

The COVID lab-leak hypothesis: what scientists do and don’t know

Nature examines arguments that the coronavirus SARS-CoV-2 escaped from a lab in China, and the science behind them.

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-01529-3

Shang_Ri_La 发表于 2021-06-09 01:08

不说别的，柳叶刀起码不应该登出Dazak 组织的非学术的政治声明，极大损害了自己的信誉。

不说别的，柳叶刀起码不应该登出Dazak 组织的非学术的政治声明，极大损害了自己的信誉。

noshock 发表于 2021-06-09 01:15

属实。

但是Baric 已然回头是岸，弃暗投明，Fauci-Daszak阴谋集团肯定是时日不多了

属实。

但是Baric 已然回头是岸，弃暗投明，Fauci-Daszak阴谋集团肯定是时日不多了

Shang_Ri_La 发表于 2021-06-09 01:24

反动学术权威应该被批倒批臭

不说别的，柳叶刀起码不应该登出Dazak 组织的非学术的政治声明，极大损害了自己的信誉。

noshock 发表于 2021-06-09 01:15

现在都在猜那封信是baric还是andersen作为影子写手写的

属实。

但是Baric 已然回头是岸，弃暗投明，Fauci-Daszak阴谋集团肯定是时日不多了

Shang_Ri_La 发表于 2021-06-09 01:24

我差点以为他是

可是又有人说这一切（哪怕alina chan作为中立派引导大家的对话方向）都是baric和welcome trust在背后指使的

反动学术权威应该被批倒批臭

Derechenz 发表于 2021-06-09 02:03

情况很扑朔迷离

然后一堆科学爱好者在cat fight 😺

情况很扑朔迷离

然后一堆科学爱好者在cat fight 😺

CleverBeaver 发表于 2021-06-09 03:54

科学爱好者这个称呼不是很确切，

生物科学本来门槛就不高，

很多其他行业的科学家知识spillover过来，参与水平不低的。

连Nature都开始改风向风向了？！真是恍如隔世，不可思议！

下面就看柳叶刀了…

The COVID lab-leak hypothesis: what scientists do and don’t know

Nature examines arguments that the coronavirus SARS-CoV-2 escaped from a lab in China, and the science behind them.

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-01529-3

Shang_Ri_La 发表于 2021-06-09 01:08

Nature这文还是在洗白，故意设不存在的靶子。比如故意说从矿洞里搜集Sars-CoV-2, 现在的lab leak假说基本都是认为搜集的是病毒前身，后来在实验室里进化/改造的。另外完全没有提在发现病毒的早期病毒没有进化的历史，和(当时的)近期跳到人体的scenario 不符。又说没有WIV隐瞒秘密研究的证据，只字不提RaTG13早就被研究过，还发表了部分序列，去年换了个名字说是新发现的病毒，被人挖出来是旧病毒后闭口不言为什么改名。还撒谎什么时间为什么把病毒database下线。

科学爱好者这个称呼不是很确切，

生物科学本来门槛就不高，

很多其他行业的科学家知识spillover过来，参与水平不低的。

shoppingisfun 发表于 2021-06-09 07:11

DRASTIC很多参与者都是有生物背景，只是不做病毒，对克隆，突变，进化这些概念/技术不陌生，却没有做病毒那些人脑子里的条条框框和利益冲突(做病毒的不能做GOF research 就很难发有high impact的文章了吧!) 。事实证明，他们挖出来的料说服了小浣熊这样的专业人士，也说服了发science公开信的业界大佬。

Daszak的自供状，描述如何和中国同事筛选、加工病毒！4‘09”起

These bastards!

“Then when you get a sequence of a virus, and it looks like a relative of a known nasty pathogen, just like we did with SARS. We found other coronaviruses in bats, a whole host of them, some of them looked very similar to SARS. So we sequenced the spike protein: the protein that attaches to cells. Then we…

Well I didn’t do this work, but my colleagues in China did the work. You create pseudo particles, you insert the spike proteins from those viruses, see if they bind to human cells. At each step of this you move closer and closer to this virus could really become pathogenic in people…

“You end up with a small number of viruses that really do look like killers,

迄今为止，你和bluecrab之流为这个话题贡献了什么建设性的东西？

像你们这样的喷子和走狗，本可以屏蔽以图耳根清净。不过，看到这么多明眼的兄弟姐妹打你们的脸，我有一种莫名的快感。不知道你们的主子们知不知道豢养了这么一群蠢且无用的东西！

可惜的是，浪费了版面。

Shang_Ri_La 发表于 2021-06-08 16:40

什么话题对你们这种货色重要？这个帖子里，有真正在探讨源头的，但大家都清楚，这个论坛里，有多少打着科学和正义名义搞政治猎巫运动的，今天对亚裔和中国的仇恨，有多少是这些人盼望的。连华人论坛上的言论摘抄给余茂春都知道，呵呵，挺好的解释了去年有多少和你相同观点的ID大批出现成千上万贴然后消失？科学研究值得尊重，但被尊重和一己之私的政治诉求去有目的的进行选择性科学八卦研究的人无关，和内心的扭曲心理听到风就说是雨的某些恨国党更无关。