abc2000 发表于 2024-10-25 16:15

我听一个美国从事医药工作的人说，在美国等换肾平均要5年，不知中国怎么样。换的肾排斥，人很快就会死的。像香港第二女首富宝咏琴换肾，章含之第二次换肾就是。

很少换肾排斥。吃很多抗排斥的药。肾都是配型好的。我工作十年。只听说过一个病人排斥。还是出院之后一周开始排斥。马上给摘了。继续洗肾。根据血型，一般等待期是3-7年。O型等最久。但是ucsf会有perfect match 这种筛选。 我🈶3个病人等待不到2年，perfect match了。直接就到医院给换了。🈶70多的，有40多的。真的是电脑给配出来的最佳配对。都是幸运的人。

看面相感觉不是什么善茬

死就死吧，还要弄个大新闻消费别人的同情心，有病

blackpearliu 发表于 2024-10-25 17:08

很少换肾排斥。吃很多抗排斥的药。肾都是配型好的。我工作十年。只听说过一个病人排斥。还是出院之后一周开始排斥。马上给摘了。继续洗肾。根据血型，一般等待期是3-7年。O型等最久。但是ucsf会有perfect match 这种筛选。 我🈶3个病人等待不到2年，perfect match了。直接就到医院给换了。🈶70多的，有40多的。真的是电脑给配出来的最佳配对。都是幸运的人。

看不懂了：“换的肾一周排异，马上摘了，继续洗肾”。这是洗哪个肾？原来自己的肾？不是摘了吗，怎么还保留着？

blackpearliu 发表于 2024-10-25 17:00

是的。我的病人几个都是lupus. 洗肾，换肾。7-10年。再来一次。都活挺好。不过活着比死需要更大的勇气和力量。

换一次肾只能管7-10年吗？我爸的同学20年前换的肾，现在70岁了还活得好好的，和正常人没区别

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UK membership of Dignitas soars by 24% as assisted dying in Scotland moves closer

Robert Booth

Esther Rantzen, who has lung cancer, is one of the new members of Dignitas Photograph: David McHugh/Brighton Pictures/Shutterstock

UK membership of Dignitas, the Swiss assisted dying association, has jumped to 1,900 people – a 24% rise during 2023 – as an assisted dying bill is laid before the Scottish parliament.

People from the UK now make up the second largest group who have signed up to the organisation, which is based near Zurich and helps people take their own lives. The largest group is currently Germans, although they can now get help to end their lives at home after a 2020 court ruling.

Among the new British Dignitas members is TV presenter Esther Rantzen, who announced last December that she was joining. She has lung cancer and called for legalisation in the UK as she said: “I might buzz off to Zurich.”

Dignitas said the jump was partly the result of increasing press coverage and the ageing of the baby boomer generation which is “used to self-determination and making individual choices for their own life which of course includes the end of life”.

It also said that the UK “government and parliament have been dragging their feet for a long time and such people reach out to places where they feel [they are] being taken more seriously”. The Labour leader, Keir Starmer, has said he will allow a free vote in the next parliament if he becomes prime minister.

The latest annual figures show that 40 people from the UK took their lives at Dignitas in 2023 – the highest level since 2019. It brings to 571 the number of Britons who have died with the help of Dignitas clinicians since its foundation in 1998, according to the organisation.

Helping someone end their own life remains a criminal offence in the UK, while it is legal in 10 US states, Canada, most of Australia, New Zealand, Spain, Austria, Ecuador, Belgium, the Netherlands and Luxembourg.

Alistair Thompson, spokesperson for Care Not Killing, which campaigns against the legalisation of assisted dying, said that the surge in membership was partially caused by the widening view that the NHS was in crisis, that the hospice movement was financially struggling and that “we are still failing to ensure the availability of good quality palliative care”.

Opponents argue that legalisation could lead to vulnerable people being coerced to end their lives. But opinion polls consistently show about 70% of the public favours a law change limited to terminally ill adults and with strict controls. Paola Marra, 53, took her life last week at Dignitas after receiving a terminal bowel cancer diagnosis. Before she travelled alone to Switzerland from London, she told the Guardian: “I think it’s really unfair that I can’t do it here”.

Sarah Wootton, chief executive of Dignity in Dying, which campaigns in favour of legalisation, said: “It’s clear that under the blanket ban on assisted dying we are outsourcing compassion to Switzerland. Paola Marra, who so powerfully shared her story to help all those who come after her, was forced to die alone in a foreign country for fear of incriminating her loved ones.”

On Thursday a bill that would allow assisted dying for terminally ill adults in Scotland is due to be formally published. It will be scrutinised in committee before an initial vote by the devolved Holyrood parliament.

Helping someone take their own life in Scotland can currently be prosecuted as a crime. But if approved the new bill would allow, for the first time in the UK, terminally ill people to have help to take their own lives within the law. Moves are also afoot towards limited legalisation in Jersey and the Isle of Man.

Rantzen congratulated the Scottish parliament on tabling the bill and said: “The current law is cruel, complicated and causes terrible suffering to vulnerable people. I have received dozens of letters from people describing the agonising deaths of those they loved. This is literally a life and death issue, and I believe terminally ill patients like me need and deserve the right to choose this option if our lives become intolerable.”

尊重她个人的选择吧

lucyenet 发表于 2024-10-25 17:13

看不懂了：“换的肾一周排异，马上摘了，继续洗肾”。这是洗哪个肾？原来自己的肾？不是摘了吗，怎么还保留着？

所谓洗肾就是透析，没了肾功能，只能透析排除体内代谢废物和水分。

hideandseek 发表于 2024-10-25 17:00

不懂怎么这么多人指手划脚，每个人都有选择如何生活的自由，你再努力再小心翼翼的活着，在一些人看来你还是不够努力，不够小心。 她选择自己生活，选择结束生命，又没有伤害其它人，打酱油的一个个义愤填膺。

这哪谈得上指手画脚， 女孩将自己的事情曝光在网上本就是她自己将私事转变成一社会事件，各种议论声雀起也是可想而知，尊重她对自己的行为， 但也要广听各种评价，难道所有行为都只能唱赞歌。对她的独特情况来说，生比死更需要勇气，责任心和对父亲的爱。在她身上， 这三点都是欠缺的

一尼逆 发表于 2024-10-25 18:35

这哪谈得上指手画脚， 女孩将自己的事情曝光在网上本就是她自己将私事转变成一社会事件，各种议论声雀起也是可想而知，尊重她对自己的行为， 但也要广听各种评价，难道所有行为都只能唱赞歌。对她的独特情况来说，生比死更需要勇气，责任心和对父亲的爱。在她身上， 这三点都是欠缺的

Re. 将自己的事情曝光就要忍各種正反評价。

I support her decision though.

Seeking668 发表于 2024-10-25 14:48

没理就对了，她要不是或着每天都像受刑痛苦万分，谁也不想去死，她爸都80了，没想死，就是他的失去女儿的痛苦没那么大，还不如偷生的欲望，那各人有各人的权力，谁也没有这个权力让别人痛苦万分来满足自己的愿望

她代表的其实是社会最弱势最无助的群体，社会上绝大部分其他人没有他们的痛苦，当然容易站道德高地指手画脚，这才是反人道的，就要理解正视他们的诉求，这才是文明的进步

女儿死了爸没陪葬叫偷生？这是哪里的道德

美化自杀的意义在哪里？ 而且不是一个完全绝症， 并不是不可治愈。

在医疗界里大家的反应和社会的反应可谓截然相反。

走之前还要这么多世俗的attention和 流量， 让我对这件事觉得充满蹊跷， 让子弹飞一会儿。

人家怎么对待自己的生命，外人有什么资格说三道四？ 你也不需要唱赞歌，但是长篇大论的说她不珍惜生命，选择的生活方式不科学，至于吗？你又不是她。 还扯上责任心，爱，只能说她和你的人生价值观完全不同，你们看不下去而已。 一个人不管怎么生活，只要不危害社会和个人，别人凭什么横加指责。

proserpina 发表于 2024-10-25 18:48

Re. 将自己的事情曝光就要忍各種正反評价。

I support her decision though.

RE.

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hideandseek 发表于 2024-10-25 17:00

不懂怎么这么多人指手划脚，每个人都有选择如何生活的自由，你再努力再小心翼翼的活着，在一些人看来你还是不够努力，不够小心。 她选择自己生活，选择结束生命，又没有伤害其它人，打酱油的一个个义愤填膺。

天主教还不准自杀呢。。

一堆人说她年轻时没有坚持吃激素，你坚持吃二十多年激素试试，副作用一样生不如死. 还有说什么不孝的，更是可笑，她说了她和爸爸是soulmate,爸爸因为爱她，也非常理解她，两人相信在不久的将来还会相聚，怎么不孝了。爸爸的牙齿她也解释了，我个人认为还是爸爸想省钱为女儿换肾，怎么也不肯去种牙，可以理解的。

Rollercoaster8 发表于 2024-10-25 14:14

她自己的选择的确大众也无权干涉， 如果她自己静悄悄的去自杀完全是她自己的事情。但是她自己发了那么多宣传自己活得精彩的视频，会影响年轻人对生命疾病的态度。确实目前看起来网上那么多人赞扬追捧她的生活态度的。既然拿到公众平台说事儿，那么有人反对也是很正常的

你有啥资格要求人家悄悄的自杀，就为了满足你自以为是的想法么，是不也想要求一下哥哥别在愚人节跳楼，影响你过节情绪了🤡