这件事真的很蹊跷。如果从人性上分析，像孙维这样从小家庭优越，生活平和的女生，是不会做出这样的事情的。因为她毕竟不可能有很大的仇恨。以我对女孩子的了解，会有小心眼，会在背后说闲话，但是绝不会这么心狠。而分析网上的那些学生投毒杀人案，好像都是男生作的八。
我觉得，这个案件更像是男人的作风。
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以下是引用Ingres在2006-1-13 16:39:00的发言：
女人，女人，女人啊
这个肯定是36C++
不许侮辱女人![[em05]](https://emojis.huaren.us/static/emojis/v1/default/em05.gif)
即使是36的
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以下是引用daka在2006-1-13 16:48:00的发言：
我看不出point在哪里？
那是SW所谓的邻居说的，而且那个人很明显是针对SW的，他还说SW就是凶手呢。如果你认为他的话是真的，SW现在在国内，那就是SW在网上撒谎，这有两种可能性：一是她根本没有申请却说自己申请了，这个谎是有意义的，但也是一下子就可以被揭穿的；二是她本人去申请却说成委托家人申请——能不能请你给出一个合理的解释她为什么要这么做？
你先说说，为何她在国内，就必须自己去申请？
为何不能她在国内，但是委托家人去申请？
sorry
搞错了，请copycat同学 回答我的问题。
[此贴子已经被作者于2006-1-13 16:52:38编辑过]
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无罪推定 is of course better. But it is neither necessary nor practical to
ask everyone on the world to follow the rule. And I really don't think
it could be used to against those who think SW was guilty.
Just think about the situation that your neighbor was interrogated by
the police because he was a potential sex offender. But this guy was
finally released because there was not enough evidence to press
charges. In that situation, even the guy was assumed innocent, I think
it would be perfectly normal for many people to be scare of him and
protect their children from him....
Anyway I think it's no big deal for people to suspect SW was guilty, as
long as their suspicion are not interfering the law enforcement.
ask everyone on the world to follow the rule. And I really don't think
it could be used to against those who think SW was guilty.
Just think about the situation that your neighbor was interrogated by
the police because he was a potential sex offender. But this guy was
finally released because there was not enough evidence to press
charges. In that situation, even the guy was assumed innocent, I think
it would be perfectly normal for many people to be scare of him and
protect their children from him....
Anyway I think it's no big deal for people to suspect SW was guilty, as
long as their suspicion are not interfering the law enforcement.
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以下是引用limabean在2006-1-13 16:48:00的发言：
这件事真的很蹊跷。如果从人性上分析，像孙维这样从小家庭优越，生活平和的女生，是不会做出这样的事情的。因为她毕竟不可能有很大的仇恨。以我对女孩子的了解，会有小心眼，会在背后说闲话，但是绝不会这么心狠。而分析网上的那些学生投毒杀人案，好像都是男生作的八。
我觉得，这个案件更像是男人的作风。
我觉得比较奇怪的一点是，贝说孙的动机就是嫉妒，为了争演出机会。但是诚如他们所说，孙家既然有这样的背景，难道她还需要为了个演出机会去杀人吗？
而且ZL虽然出色，但是在清华那种环境里，也不见得就是出色到令人嫉妒得要杀她的地步。而且孙本身条件应该也不差：同样是清华的学生，也有一技之长（弹古琴），家里又是高干，而且可以看得出来，当时在学校她的人缘比ZL要好很多。综合条件比起来，不见得ZL比她强到要嫉妒得杀人的地步。如果说SW是家境贫寒，那倒还说得过去点。
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以下是引用limabean在2006-1-13 16:48:00的发言：
这件事真的很蹊跷。如果从人性上分析，像孙维这样从小家庭优越，生活平和的女生，是不会做出这样的事情的。因为她毕竟不可能有很大的仇恨。以我对女孩子的了解，会有小心眼，会在背后说闲话，但是绝不会这么心狠。而分析网上的那些学生投毒杀人案，好像都是男生作的八。
我觉得，这个案件更像是男人的作风。
实际上就算她嫉妒了，难道就会杀人吗？
天涯上还有人发文章，说自己身边的同学嫉妒陷害自己，可以看出来sw得犯罪心理。
简直搞笑，逻辑就是：我身边有人犯罪，你看起来很像犯罪人，所以你就是犯罪人。
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以下是引用daka在2006-1-13 16:49:00的发言：
不许侮辱女人
即使是36的
有多少女人，羡慕36C++的拥有者
有多少男人，期盼36C++的拥有者成为自己的老婆
有多少孩子，渴望36C++的拥有者成为自己的老妈
我怎敢
侮辱
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以下是引用fivezerozero在2006-1-13 16:55:00的发言：
实际上就算她嫉妒了，难道就会杀人吗？
天涯上还有人发文章，说自己身边的同学嫉妒陷害自己，可以看出来sw得犯罪心理。
简直搞笑，逻辑就是：我身边有人犯罪，你看起来很像犯罪人，所以你就是犯罪人。
不知道大家有没有这样的感觉.上次的马家爵事件,还有这次ZL事件的旧事重提,让人有一种毛骨悚然的感觉,很是后怕.幸好自己大学时代的同学和室友都是正常人.如果碰上真碰上一个丧心病狂残害同学的,真是不堪设想啊.
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以下是引用jeffie在2006-1-13 16:54:00的发言：
无罪推定 is of course better. But it is neither necessary nor practical to
ask everyone on the world to follow the rule. And I really don't think
it could be used to against those who think SW was guilty.
Just think about the situation that your neighbor was interrogated by
the police because he was a potential sex offender. But this guy was
finally released because there was not enough evidence to press
charges. In that situation, even the guy was assumed innocent, I think
it would be perfectly normal for many people to be scare of him and
protect their children from him....
Anyway I think it's no big deal for people to suspect SW was guilty, as
long as their suspicion are not interfering the law enforcement.
无罪推定 is of course better. But it is neither necessary nor practical to
ask everyone on the world to follow the rule. And I really don't think
it could be used to against those who think SW was guilty.
Just think about the situation that your neighbor was interrogated by
the police because he was a potential sex offender. But this guy was
finally released because there was not enough evidence to press
charges. In that situation, even the guy was assumed innocent, I think
it would be perfectly normal for many people to be scare of him and
protect their children from him....
Anyway I think it's no big deal for people to suspect SW was guilty, as
long as their suspicion are not interfering the law enforcement.
在心里愿意怎么怀疑怎么怀疑
说出来
就不一样了
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以下是引用daka在2006-1-13 16:55:00的发言：
我觉得比较奇怪的一点是，贝说孙的动机就是嫉妒，为了争演出机会。但是诚如他们所说，孙家既然有这样的背景，难道她还需要为了个演出机会去杀人吗？
而且ZL虽然出色，但是在清华那种环境里，也不见得就是出色到令人嫉妒得要杀她的地步。而且孙本身条件应该也不差：同样是清华的学生，也有一技之长（弹古琴），家里又是高干，而且可以看得出来，当时在学校她的人缘比ZL要好很多。综合条件比起来，不见得ZL比她强到要嫉妒得杀人的地步。如果说SW是家境贫寒，那倒还说得过去点。
不许歧视家境贫寒的人
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对凶手要讲什么人性和动机阿。 只要有凶手， 就一定有个匪夷所思的动机。（就像小贝说的，清华刘海洋泼熊，你说他有什么动机阿。）
除非动机是朱令犯了什么滔天大罪。 可是就算那样， 咱还得给朱令找个说得过去的动机呀。
反正我觉得反孙的各位不必说话了，一说很容易被人打上没有逻辑的标签，还是老实捐钱，或者去天涯造造舆论搞不好案件能重审。
挺孙的各位也不必说话了，用跟对方一样的方法去推断这些蛛丝马迹有什么意思。一句话，从现有资料看不出孙是下毒者不就完了么。
费心给孙论证人也看不出到不是。
除非动机是朱令犯了什么滔天大罪。 可是就算那样， 咱还得给朱令找个说得过去的动机呀。
反正我觉得反孙的各位不必说话了，一说很容易被人打上没有逻辑的标签，还是老实捐钱，或者去天涯造造舆论搞不好案件能重审。
挺孙的各位也不必说话了，用跟对方一样的方法去推断这些蛛丝马迹有什么意思。一句话，从现有资料看不出孙是下毒者不就完了么。
费心给孙论证人也看不出到不是。
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以下是引用jeffie在2006-1-13 16:54:00的发言：
无罪推定 is of course better. But it is neither necessary nor practical to
ask everyone on the world to follow the rule. And I really don't think
it could be used to against those who think SW was guilty.
Just think about the situation that your neighbor was interrogated by
the police because he was a potential sex offender. But this guy was
finally released because there was not enough evidence to press
charges. In that situation, even the guy was assumed innocent, I think
it would be perfectly normal for many people to be scare of him and
protect their children from him....
Anyway I think it's no big deal for people to suspect SW was guilty, as
long as their suspicion are not interfering the law enforcement.
无罪推定 is of course better. But it is neither necessary nor practical to
ask everyone on the world to follow the rule. And I really don't think
it could be used to against those who think SW was guilty.
Just think about the situation that your neighbor was interrogated by
the police because he was a potential sex offender. But this guy was
finally released because there was not enough evidence to press
charges. In that situation, even the guy was assumed innocent, I think
it would be perfectly normal for many people to be scare of him and
protect their children from him....
Anyway I think it's no big deal for people to suspect SW was guilty, as
long as their suspicion are not interfering the law enforcement.
呵呵，当初办余祥林和潘余均的警察大概都是像你这样想的。
你觉得这种怀疑no big deal, 但是对SW个人来说，可是damn big deal. 还是那句话，说白了因为你觉得SW是罪犯，这是她该受到的惩罚，而我的立足点是如果她是清白的，这对她公平吗？即使倒时候抓到凶手不是她，伤害已经筑成，当然这些推波助澜者是可以躲在电脑屏幕后一句抱歉都不必说的。
另外，在美国只有性罪犯才会被披露个人信息。
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坑的主角从来都是跳坑的
挖坑的只不过提供一个背景
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以下是引用daka在2006-1-13 14:32:00的发言：
从95到97年，她已经在这件事里纠缠了2年多了，公安调查她以后也结案了，她身边的很多人都相信她的清白，请问她在这种情况下，你觉得她应该干什么？主动发帖子到网上说起这件事，申明不是她干的？
这倒是说得通。95、97年网络虽然兴起不过不算全民运动。那个时候有天涯毛铺mit是不是也才刚开张呀？mit刚开张上面的人都纯纯的可好了还互帮互助完全不是现在的风气。反正我觉得90年代上网热潮和现在全民皆网感觉很大不一样。![[em09]](https://emojis.huaren.us/static/emojis/v1/default/em09.gif)
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不想多说了，永远争不出个结论。
推荐一部好片“12 angry men" 看了可能会有所启发。在没有人知道确实真相的时候，宁可把人从宽处想，这不但是中国传统的“与人为善”，西方文化里其实也是这样。所以现在才会从“有罪推定”到“无罪推定”的进步。
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以下是引用菜菩头小囡在2006-1-13 17:16:00的发言：
这倒是说得通。95、97年网络虽然兴起不过不算全民运动。那个时候有天涯毛铺mit是不是也才刚开张呀？mit刚开张上面的人都纯纯的可好了还互帮互助完全不是现在的风气。反正我觉得90年代上网热潮和现在全民皆网感觉很大不一样。
那是因为那时候的大学生还没有现在这么多样化。
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以下是引用daka在2006-1-13 17:21:00的发言：
不想多说了，永远争不出个结论。
推荐一部好片“12 angry men" 看了可能会有所启发。在没有人知道确实真相的时候，宁可把人从宽处想，这不但是中国传统的“与人为善”，西方文化里其实也是这样。所以现在才会从“有罪推定”到“无罪推定”的进步。
我支持你
我永远支持你
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以下是引用Ingres在2006-1-13 17:21:00的发言：
那是因为那时候的大学生还没有现在这么多样化。
我爸爸上网，我上中学的表妹也上网![[em08]](https://emojis.huaren.us/static/emojis/v1/default/em08.gif)
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以下是引用Ingres在2006-1-13 17:22:00的发言：
我支持你
我永远支持你
笑纳了
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以下是引用daka在2006-1-13 17:24:00的发言：
我爸爸上网，我上中学的表妹也上网
府上是不是就是传说中的盘丝洞阿
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